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For a good example of this (maybe the one you heard?), see WNYC's On the Media segment (aired December 30 or 31, 2004) titled "Pulling Back the Curtain": https://wnyc.org/story/129437-pulling-back-the-curtain/

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Thanks for the link. As a longtime listener, listening to Bob Garfield's voice brought a tear to my eye - I'm a big fan and was sad when he left OTM, as much as I admire Brooke.

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