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Is nextcloud the good one and owncloud the inferior one?

My biggest problem with Nextcloud is that it intentionally broke (at least twice by memory) on some updates, wanting me to run some oci command on the box. Remember that "for my family" also means "for my family when I'm gone." I never got round to having to find an alternative thanks to the divorce, but I'd consider Nextcloud a complete non-starter for this reason.

Find an alternative.

The breakdown as I understand is as follows:

- Owncloud: The 'original' platform, written in php, still developed today

- Nextcloud: A fork of Owncloud (php) by some of the people that worked on it, including the project founder over directional differences, now more widely used than the original Owncloud

- Owncloud infinite scale (OCIS): An implementation of the Owncloud server in Go, with the goal of making it faster and more scalable than the PHP version

- Opencloud: A fork of Owncloud infinite scale (Go) after an acquisition of ownCloud, the company.

I don’t know about owncloud, but I have been hosting a family Nextcloud instance for a little under two years and it works fine.

It’s boring. It works.

same here, great choice for a private family cloud.

The good OwnCloud is abandoned, and instead they released some meme enterprise nonsense.

I'm running NextCloud, but I hesitate to call it good, because of its kitchen sink approach to features. I really want 2015 era OwnCloud with just files, it being PHP/MariaDB/Apache-based. I refuse to use anything that requires Docker, which is most of the slop alternatives currently available.

You can remove almost app in Nextcloud. It is pretty modular. You can have a files only Nextcloud, last time I tried.

I run nextcloud on a NixOS server within a systemd container, so no Docker.

You don't need to run oCIS in docker, you can use the bare-metal installation: https://owncloud.dev/ocis/deployment/systemd/

just one remark, get the image from assets: https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/releases/tag/v8.0.4

Nextcloud is written in PHP, which doesn't sound scalable to me.

OwnCloud is written in Go but employs an open-core model. Some features are locked behind a proprietary paywall.

> Nextcloud is written in PHP, which doesn't sound scalable to me.

Lol what? Facebook (pre Hack), Tumblr, Wordpress, Etsy...

Nextcloud and Wordpress both suffer massively from technical debt.

What does that have to do with scalability?

Nice to hear back from you.

I'm sure modern PHP code does not prevent scalability, but old PHP code definitely does.

Also, and this is slightly beside the point, but last time I tried Nextcloud there were _usability_ "scalability" issues, such as being unable to upload large files in the web GUI due to classic PHP config issues such as client timeout and upload file size limits.

Failure to account for modern file size limits is a massive code base red flag.

Sure, it's a doddle to fix if you know basic PHP, but it's a sign that the developer doesn't understand the core requirements of the product they are developing.

Shared nothing is no scaleable?

“OwnCloud infinite scale” is written in Go. But ownCloud 10 is php.

I tried for weeks to get OCIS working but gave up and went back to ownCloud 10.

They’re committed to security updates for 10 but it’s a small company. I doubt it will get much attention sadly.

> I tried for weeks to get OCIS working but gave up and went back to ownCloud 10.

I literally just finished my move from Nextcloud to ocis yesterday (Docker). There were so many silly issues (e.g., I spent 2 full days trying to figure out why an image was getting a 500 error, only to learn ocis doesn't support tall images). I have a full install script and integrated motomo too. So ping me if you want to give it another shot. (I deployed Baikal to replace dav functionality.)

Nextcloud has all sorts of problems and bloat. It's not worth it anymore to me.

> ocis doesn't support tall images

You mean no portrait?

https://github.com/owncloud/ocis/issues/12399

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