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Politics shift extremely quickly, and it's very well known that only a handful of people in power support the zionist entity. There are no real alliances with israel from Muslim nations if that's what you are alluding to. Maybe one or two rulers are attempting to form some sort of deal, but this does not sit well with the population at all. Remember that you have ~2 billion Muslims, and the Palestinian issue is one of the most important, if not the most important issue for all of them.

WW2 left a lot of destruction, yet things got rebuilt and the world moved on. The mongols left a trail of destruction and atrocities, but the victims recovered. What's happening today is no different. This is not to make light of the suffering of the victims of the zionists, but it means that they will not give up.

This is not an Arab issue, it's a Muslim issue. The zionists are trying to make it a racial issue (as a form of projection), but it's far from it.

> They didn't have nuclear weapons.

They had chemical weapons that they used on civilians.

What these latest conflicts have shown is how weak and frail the occupation is, it has always been the case. The internal rift going on there may very well expand to a civil war. There are many ways out of this instead of brute military force that eliminates everyone.

Iran is still standing, and the war that now the whole world knows israel is behind, has made so many people stand up against them. We are seeing people convert to Islam from all different racial and religious backgrounds. Injustice will not last forever. There are even American politicians making it clear they do not receive funding from AIPAC when they run. Give it a generation or two, their public perception is down the drain, and they know this all too well, and they're panicking.

> Then the solution is simple. Give up on the idea of trying to destroy a nuclear armed country. Just accept peace instead

We have no issues with peace. Give back the land to its native people, and they will decide who stays and who leaves. The western nations that enabled this genocide and colonialist project can take in those who leave.

> The western nations that enabled this genocide and colonialist project can take in those who leave.

The much much more likely situation is that a third of gazans leave based on plans that western governments have made for gaza that are already public.

Thats the outcome that those groups are currently on a clear trajectory towards, that might not even be stoppable at this point, TBH.

Then what? More yelling online about "zionists" doesn't rebuild the mass rubble that gaza has already been turned into.

But hey, feel free to check up on gaza in a year and see if things have gotten any better, or if it has instead just been more people sacrificing their lives for nothing with no progress towards a better future.

The yelling is not only happening online, we're starting to see a shift in policy. As I mentioned, the sentiment for the zionist entity in the USA is in the dirt among the younger generation. This isn't just about Gaza, it's about the entire world now. The entity has no issues literally dragging the world in to WW3. People are waking up.

> Then what?

Decades of unjustifiable regional conflict used to manufacture consent for Israel to invade and indefinitely occupy portions of Syria, Jordan and Egypt?

Because that's the precedent that Israel has set for themselves. It's not a very popular plan outside of the Knesset, as this war has proven.

There are not large 40 thousand plus armed terrorists groups that have been being armed for decades and have been shooting rockets at Israel for years in either Jordan or Egypt. And Syria has significantly improved their relations with Israel recently.

Nobody in those countries are seriously suggesting that there is going to be some war with Israel anytime soon, and relations are as good as they have ever been.

Nobody in those countries believes that Israel is fighting a defensive war. They refuse to assist Israel until the US steps in, and even then they draw pretty hard lines in the sand. Jordan doesn't trust Israeli administration of the West Bank; Syria wants the Golan Heights to stop expanding into Al-Quneitra, and resents the Druze separatism that Likud supports.

Every politician in these countries are preparing for a long-term campaign of Israeli interference, subterfuge and misinformation. Even the US is preparing for Israel's forever war.

Those "terrorists" only arose after the zionist occupation. To everyone else other than the zionist occupiers, they are freedom fighters.

They are actually designated as a terrorist organization by a very large number of countries. Almost every country in that region does, and around the world.

Also, they do all sorts of things. The big one was contributing to the deaths many people in syria. I think thats more than enough for countries to call them a terrorist organization as they do now.

Its pretty horrible. You can look it up here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_involvement_in_the_S...

Most, if not all those countries are western, who are enabling the genocide in Palestine. Let's not pretend they have any moral ground to stand on.

I'm not defending what Hezb did in Syria, but let's not forget that they emerged as a reaction to the zionist occupation. It would be nice to see some consistency, the zionist occupation has orders of magnitude worse crimes for almost 80 years now, yet they are endorsed by the west and funded to continue their atrocities.

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