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Comment by nkmnz | Hacker News Reader

No idea why you've been downvoted. This is excellent news.

If for no other reason than because this whole genre of commentary has become trite and moreover, is excessively tangential.

I am very happy for you that you're living in a country where being remembered of the fact that 17% of the world's population cannot openly speak, write, or read of the killing of somewhere between 200 and 2000 of their fellow men and women a mere 37 years feels "trite", and the topic of authoritarian state censorship on AI (and tech in general) feels "excessively tangential". What exactly is within the perimeter of your interest with regards to LLMs, if not the truthfulness of its responses?

The formulaic and predictable style of that commentary only betrays a lack of effort and conveys no original insight. The disinterest, therefore, is unsurprising. Instead it invites contempt and has accusations of hypocrisy, insincerity and pretentiousness.

The subject of censorship in LLMs and the wider technology world in general has little bearing on this model specifically, that is, a model with a high token speed, which is what is of interest to me here and why I, and I presume many others, chose to read that particular article and this comment thread. It is unnecessary that such a digression should be attaching itself to all manner of threads with only the most remote connection to that subject.

You prefer "fast car faster than other fast cars" over "fast car faster than other fast cars might also be slightly more environmentally friendly than this manufacturer's most recent (and much slower) cars". Okay. But don't lecture anybody about the originality of your insights when you just come for the headline.

Your response is scarcely comprehensible. A supposed “preference” for something I had yet to discover? Indeed. Your second charge conflates two categories, so that the conclusion does not follow from the proposition.

It is clear that you have no argument and have devolved into constructing straw men and ad hominem.

Indeed, you are boring.

No, just correct.

Because this never gets brought up about US models, which have just as much censorship as the Chinese ones.

No, US models have alignment. Only Chinese models have censorship.

Please educate us - which accurate and provable events in history are censored by US based LLMs as part of a government enforced reeducation campaign?

Does it even matter which agendas get censored? Like why won't my Claude tell me how to make sarin gas? I'd genuinely like to understand it. Sure, you can always reach for a justification saying "preventing terrorism" but the same argument can be made by Chinese AI labs.

What actually matters is that the mere tool is withholding information at all, and that the boundaries were set by whoever designed it.

Dont get me wrong I've been an advocate of this stuff (I carry two phones, one with GOS for my personal use and the other for ID verifications). However, without reasoning, you just can't see it, because you're as biased and propagandized as anyone in China.

You can read this in Wikipedia. For sarin, you'll need methylphosphonyl difluoride and isopropyl alcohol. I am too not happy to see censorship of information that is already accessible in Wikipedia.

US models are happily parroting Russian fakes. US censorship is a joke.

Can you point me to one example? (Without web search, of course). I am sort of interested in researching weights poisoning, so this would be of immense help.

You should read OPs responses in this thread. He actually does test US models. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> which have just as much censorship as the Chinese ones

Citation needed.

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