What are the rules? Is it okay to use autocomplete? Are spell checkers accepted? What if I used an AI chatbot to figure out something instead of a traditional search engine?
Since this project singles out AI (likely generative AI using machine learning), it seems evident to me that it rules out any involvement which does fundamentally change the process, i.e. what people otherwise do when creating.
(Yes, one could argue that e.g. word processing or printing have also fundamentally changed the process, and that is absolutely true, but each of those has changed the process differently than machine learning has, and clearly this website considers the changes made by AI undesirable in some ways, not the changes made by word processing or printing.)
The site only states "There's only one rule: generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project.", without defining any further rules, nor does it clarify the exact definition of "creation of the project".
Like, what if you included a library in your project that was vibe-coded (but your main code wasn't), would your project be considered as "human-made"?
These questions absolutely remain, but their scope is not nearly as wide as some people here make it out to be. Of course, narrowing it down further might be nice.
Of course not.
If that's not okay, what if the library included a library which included a library that was vibe-coded?
Hopefully things are not so bad yet that it's an unlikely situation
I'm not sure how feasible verification of that would be, unless we have some "certified 100% human" certification program of some sort, with an external auditing agency or something - because you can't trust humans, they will 100% lie.
You don't need to have personally hand-coded the OS, of course, you just need a OS that's not vibe-coded, and hopefully that just means avoiding Windows.
Even if you actually consider the OS a dependency, which is a stretch
And hopefully vibe coding doesn't get as widespread to become hard to avoid it.
That's a problem for anyone coding a modern app these days, not just npm users.
> You don't need to have personally hand-coded the OS, of course, you just need a OS that's not vibe-coded, and hopefully that just means avoiding Windows.
That's a problem too, because Linux is already accepting gen-AI code, and you can bet your arse that Google and Apple are too. So that just leaves the niche OSes, and although I don't know of their individual stances, the trust problem still remains - how do you know they're not using gen-AI in some shape or form, without some sort of formal certification and auditing system?
I wouldn't really say that
> That's a problem too, because Linux is already accepting gen-AI code
If it's accurately reviewed it's fine for me, although yeah, it wouldn't fit the 100% human definition.
Just as you can make GPL software for closed-source operating systems, though, I think you could ignore the OS in a definition of 100% human-made software.
We can agree to disagree, but pretty much every modern app uses dependencies at some level, and that's a problem for everyone. Sure, npm is probably the worst of them all, but even the so called "safe" Rust is very heavy on dependencies - just look at any popular Rust project these days. It's only a matter of time until a malicious or poor quality code makes its way in a popular Rust project... or any other project for that matter. Just see the state all the popular FOSS projects are in, they're all getting swamped by LLM-driven PRs, so much so that some projects (like Ladybird) have decided to stop accepting PRs completely.
The problem isn't just about whether or not the code is accurately reviewed, because under pressure, humans are bound to slip up - just take a look at what happened with the XZ project, it has now become a textbook example of how projects can be compromised. LLMs have made the situation worse, it's only a matter of time until we see a second or third Jia Tan due to the pressure maintainers are in - or we see more FOSS projects stop accepting PRs altogether.
In such a scenario, every dependency is a liability.
And if you ignore the OS, that means you're drawing an arbitrary line in the sand - because how would you define what consists of an "OS"?
Going back to our example app, what if the app's dependency is Qt, and if Qt has vibe-coded components - by your original definition a few comments ago, that would make your app not human-made. But many distros also include Qt components OOTB due to some dependency or other (eg for KDE), so that would mean the OS is also not 100% human-made right?
But this also means you won't be able to work most white-collared jobs, as almost every such job these days involves operating a computer running a mainstream OS. But I guess there are still some jobs out there where you could be operating a legacy OS, such as as some banks and other financial institutions, maybe you could learn COBOL and work on mainframes or something.
And naturally your boycott would also include most of the modern web, because most web browsers these days have some sort of AI involvement or the other, not to mention most mainstream websites as well. So there's a good chance that even though you're working on old-school mainframes, you may still need to do your timesheets or taxes or whatever on a modern website. Or send emails at the very least. So most modern jobs would be a no-go.
So I hope you've got your line well defined, because "anything remotely involving AI" is a pretty loaded phrase that could completely cut you off modern technology and workplaces, and you could end up living the life of a hermit, or a medieval-era farmer or something. Which, I'm not saying is a bad or impossible thing - I know at least a couple of people who quit IT completely, took up farming and have gone off-grid - its certainly doable, so the question is, how badly you hate AI, and how far are you willing to go?
I think I draw the line at a place that makes sense. (And mine was first, but I don’t care, as long as the movement takes off.)
It's OK to use the term "human made" to mean "not the output of genAI". There's no "gotcha" to be scored here.
> Help us to signify and share projects done by humans (not AI).
Here is nothing about GenAI specifically.
Who else could be asked if not the ones that set up this collection?
There's only one rule: generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project.Hello games made a game called No Man's Sky which has VERY heavy use of procedural generation. Same as Minecraft.
If someone were to make the same games using genAi, would it be less impressive, even if the output was 'better'?
But even if the answer was no, I don't see the relationship to what I said. I never commented on "impressiveness".
the question here really depends on how much the procedural generator is an artwork in itself, and how much that would be lessened by using AI to generate the worlds instead.
come on