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Isn't the social credit system mostly a credit score, similar to the one implemented in the United States? As someone living in a European country without such a thing, I also find that one pretty dystopian.

About the data sending, wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles? Aren't US telecoms selling position data of their clients? Isn't the US filled with surveillance cameras managed by a private company keeping track of every car?

Do you base your last statement on anything, or is it just a hunch?

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What country do you live in? They probably have credit records. Here in Finland you definitely do. They don't break it down into a single score, but lenders can see how many debts you've defaulted on in the past.

https://www.oikeuspalveluvirasto.fi/en/financial-and-debt-co...

Not social credit score, this is something different.

Yes, it is a literal credit score, which the grandparent comment claimed doesn't exist in "a European country".

Social credit score affects all your actions as a citizen, and can restrict your liberty as a citizen. E.G: a cop don't like you because you sleep with his sister, they charge you on false pretense, and now your internet is more restricted or you can't take some trains.

Banking credit score only affect your ability to get a loan. You sleep with a banker sister, and... they can't do shit because there is no money trail and you can apply for a loan elsewhere. You will only be rejected for a loan if fail to pay some of your existing loans. Reasonable.

> wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles?

You might be thinking about GM:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/01/...

From what I read it's mostly a credit score and blacklist system. In the 2010s there was a project to use it to reward and punish people for some everyday stuff based on whether it did or didn't align with the party's morals, but it got scrapped. That's the part everyone thinks is going on over there.

I agree it's dystopian, but I live in Germany and we have a similar thing called "Schufa". For most people it mostly means that if they default on a credit, they'll be less likely to find an apartment. It differs from the US one in the sense that banks don't require you to get into debt before they trust you, that whole "build your credit score" nonsense.

No, the social credit system can restrict your basic freedom, including the freedom of moving, without a judge being involved.

The fact you are casually talking about it is infuriating.

It's like taking about the yellow star and stay "isn't it like the pins in the US".

I see, thanks for the correction. Aren't people put in ICE detention centers and offshore prisons indefinitely with no charges and no judge involved, though? Or is that OK because they aren't citizens?

I'm not American. And the discussion is about the credit score system.

We were discussing cancer, and instead of talking about it, you tried to avoid saying bad things about it and answered "isn't diabetes bad as well?".

I assume now you are a China propaganda account and will stop answering to you.

The discussion was actually about privacy and human rights concerns when moving from western manufacturers to Chinese ones.

Nothing can restrict your basic freedom in the US though, right? lmao

American believing in the most base propaganda regurgitated by their government for the last 50 years is the funniest shit ever. You're implementing the same thing at home right now, not even secretly, and there is not a single protest, nothing...

If americans were 25% as critical with themselves as they are with China... Flock cameras, Palantir, 48 hours ago, one of trump's best friend:

> Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior, because we’re constantly recording and reporting everything that is going on"

I'm not American, and my answer solely focuses on the fact the social credit score is the most dystopian thing ever created by modern dictatorship.

Which is an answer to guy saying people idealize china these days, thanks to effective propaganda from the regime.

Want to criticize the US? Go for it. That's just not the topic.

And until you can wear a Tiananmen Square t-shirt in a public street in Beijin, any good thing China is doing is moot for its population. It's still in a dictatorship.

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