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Could you educate us as to where the barbed hook goes?

I was surprised by the level of replies here and didn't have the energy to answer: thanks for the support, comforting to see after a long day.

In the fishes mouth. That’s how you catch them.

Is your claim that anglers decimate fishing population?

nope, i don’t think that claim holds water.

my claim would be something like how the recommendation of fishing in response to news of conservation efforts is as absurd as recommending spankings in response to news of more babies being born: stupid, harmful, and self-serving.

Barbed hooks are not allowed most of the time anymore.

And which would you prefer through your lip? Barbed, barbless, or nothing the fuck at all because people let you live your life undisturbed?

Fish are not people and you’re projecting on to them. Do we need to start with whether you eat meat or own pets?

Animals other than humans feel pain and do tend to avoid it.

And nope, no eating meat for me (and like half a billion other people). It’s both easier and more empowering than one might think!

Great, then this really isn’t a debate about fishing. We completely disagree about the roles of animals in our life.

I’m sure we both have cared for and loved animals at some point! There’s nothing wrong with recognizing that a fish can feel pain much like a cat or a dog or a rabbit or a horse.

Sure. And I think your lifestyle is a valid and respectable choice. Angling is just far downstream of topics to look at!

Can an insect feel pain? What about a mushroom, or a plant? What things are conscious enough to feel pain? I'm genuinely asking because I because it seems arbitrary as to where the line gets drawn. Before the 1980s it was the medical consensus that babies weren't capable of feeling pain even though this is now widely recognized as untrue.

I don't think the line is quite so arbitrary! Virtually all animals (with a few exceptions!) have a central nervous system, which is required to "feel" pain, to my understanding.

The good news is that we can adapt our thinking and behavior in light of new evidence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/13jabzl/not...

Bears are people when you’re on grindr, but that bear there isn’t a person, friend.

What difference does that make to the salmon?

obtuse and so dense;

fish swim happily upstream,

while rocks sink down fast.

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