I discuss with civilised people who are up for civilised discussions.
You are the one ruining this discussion, it's worrying that you don't even realize it. I pointed out that models change quite a bit over time (I said more than that) and you ridicule my reply. "Your fault. You should have used a model from 0.000005 seconds ago!"
Civilised. Please.
Imagine not realizing that was a joke.
Imagine that, after I specifically called it a "joke". Result.. An irrelevant low quality meta discussion.