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- The Framework is more expensive : Kind of care, but not really if it's worth the money.

- slower (in most cases) : I care about this. Blender needs to render.

- louder (its fan ramps up quite often) : I care about this, it needs to be silent.

- has a pretty poor display : I care about this, I don't want poor screen quality, poor color quality, poor text rendering.

- but it is a touchscreen: could care less about this.

- has a 360° hinge : care even less about this.

- and is more repairable and upgradeable : really don't care about this at all, by the time this laptop needs to be upgraded, i'll just buy a new one anyways since the new parts probably won't work in the old machine.

I'm thinking Apple might just be better at figuring out what specs actually matter, and which specs just make nerds happy but don't actually sell. (except liquid glass, they failed on that.)

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> by the time this laptop needs to be upgraded, i'll just buy a new one anyways since the new parts probably won't work in the old machine.

It's only been 5 years since their first laptop, but yes they sold motherboards for 5 different CPU generations that all fit in the same chassis. They've also released a Pro chassis that uses the same parts as well.

Whether most people want to keep the old beat up chassis/keyboard/trackpad/battery when they're ready to upgrade is another question.

But they have lived to their promises, despite your claim that they wouldn't.

> I'm thinking Apple might just be better at figuring out what specs actually matter, and which specs just make nerds happy but don't actually sell. (except liquid glass, they failed on that.)

Or maybe this is just a totally different product?

I'd also call out, anecdotally, of the people in my life the non-technical people are interested in touch screens, don't care about speed as long as it runs a few Chrome tabs without feeling slow, and have literally never mentioned noise except to complain about some absolutely absurd "gaming" laptops. I've only ever heard the "nerds" talking about this stuff you're saying actually matters to the non-nerds. Maybe you're one of the nerds?

I don't play D&D, but I do play with computers, so I'm more of a geek than a nerd.

> the new parts probably won't work in the old machine

Except with framework, where you can actually upgrade it piecewise. The CEO had a video showing of them doing it in like 10 minutes, part by part

so in 8 years, I'll be able to buy a new CPU and it'll work in that old laptop?

Quite possibly yes. The level of upgradeability they've given their Framework 13 line over the years has been very impressive, and you can still put the latest CPU in the original chassis if you want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxgCEpkiKM

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