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At the same time, EU mandates that new cars must have a system able to call help if it detects a crash with the driver not responding... And I suspect most manufacturers will argue that telemetry data are not PIIs until taken to court, so since they have to put a cellular connection anyway, why not use it?

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You actually don’t need any data plan to call emergency services, 112 is literally baked into the GSM standard. As long as the phone (or car) can connect to a network, it can call 112. It doesn’t even need a SIM card.

A side note, though. This SIM-less emergency calls are blocked in some countries because there were a lot of fake calls. Some other countries put such calls on a less important list of calls. Many countries in EU do allow them, though.

So, car manufacturers could just put in the cellular capabilities without connecting to any network. They just don’t want to.

When Cariad had a data leak, they were really quick to point out that no payment information had been leaked. That really shows how little they understand about PII. Screw the payment information, I'll just cancelled that card and get any abused funds refunded by my bank, that's not neither my problem nor my concern.

For some strange reason most companies do not understand the inherent danger of having e.g. location data and behavioural patterns leaked. That's much much worse than you stupid debit card number.

There is a very clear definition of PII so I don’t see this being a problem

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