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It is fascinating that we still haven’t have a law that forbid the car company from automatically share the data.

The car owner is buying a car, using computer to handle complicate hardware I understand, but at what point it make sense to share the data automatically without consent?

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In Honda vehicles, you can turn it off but then it will show a permanent warning on your dash saying your spying settings are off and keeps bugging you as if you’re out of fuel.

Yes, we also need laws against dark patterns.

Here is an opt-out page for those with Honda's who want to know more.

https://www.honda.com/privacy/your-privacy-choices

I haven’t kept up with it but at least at one point the regulations gave both the automotive manufacturer and national governments rights to the data. What those entities do with the data is up to them. A lot of this was done under the auspices of international treaties. When those regulations were written the sensing capability was much less invasive. This has been in the works internationally since the 1990s.

Most governments don’t collect this data because they lack the technical capacity to do so. The legal frameworks were put in place long before the infrastructure.

> but at what point it make sense to share the data automatically without consent?

At the point a third party offers $$$ to car company, or a state entity leverages some state power to coerce car company.

I think GDPR should already covers this. What I’m unsure about is whether accepting one of the items in the menu on purchase of the car then allows it again because of “giving consent”.

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