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Presidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current president thinks variously incredulous things.

So you know, you might want to adjust your measuring stick before you critique people.

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Both things can be true at the same time, so shutting down the critique (possibly because it is critiquing something you like??) just because another critique can be made is not a good counter argument

In that case, the Pope does not believe "wine turns to blood if you say things to it."

That claims is, very simply, a lie.

It's actually litterally true.

https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/arch...

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> Transubstantiation means the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of his Blood. This change is brought about in the eucharistic prayer through the efficacy of the word of Christ and by the action of the Holy Spirit. However, the outward characteristics of bread and wine, that is the “eucharistic species”, remain unaltered.

Edit: It's a catholic thing, and it's very silly (other denominations say its symbolic)

And that quote is not the same thing as was written originally. Explicitely hedges and ends with clear "wont have that taste, wont get you drunk".

The simplification in the original in fact imploed that.

This is not the only part of Catholicism that is not written originally, but even "originally written" is difficult.

Lets not forget the hideous acts that this church has commited against young men and children in america. This would the last place I'd accept leadership advise from.

This message is not focused on u.s or its presidents. Its focused on leadership world wide.

The people best suited to give advice on how AI should be used, distributed, and controlled are probably those disconnected from the profit structure of AI.

hard out for rhe trump adminstration.

Their excuse was that they lived a long time ago when people were idiots. What's the popes excuse today?

Both American presidents and Abrahamic faiths have, historically, justified slavery and genocide (and often by the same pretense.)

And the current President's ridiculous beliefs are just as ridiculous as believing in transubstantiation. Believing angels manifest on Earth and intercede in human affairs is no more rational believing that aliens are manifesting on Earth but are really demons, which Catholic VP JD Vance believes. The former is just more culturally accepted, and thus given the weight of dignity, but both are valid as far as a naive and literalist interpretation of the Bible is concerned, because demons exist in the Bible, but not aliens.

Either way, as much as the Pope is a silly man in a silly hat looking like a fucking wizard who is required to believe in supernatural nonsense while leading a corrupt den of pedophiles, he's also absolutely and objectively correct on this specific topic and it's clear he's put far more researched thought into his opinions on AI than 99% of people on HN. Hell, he even apologized for the Church's historical support of slavery, and many people here won't even concede that slavery was ever a problem.

The only significance here with history is we don't repeat it. There is no reason ever concede anything. Its akin to dwelling on indians introducing americans to tobacco. No group of people in the future should be judge on peoples beliefs or indiscretions. There is no connection.

Not every conversation is about Trump, is it possible to stop this?

inb4 "EvERyTHing Is PolItiKz"

I think the whole world would like to stop talking about Trump.

He got elected, get over it.

World doesn't seem over it yet. Like Brexit and plenty of other poor choices the various electorates of the world have previously done.

More to the point, "it" is not the fact of his election but the fact of his policy decisions, which are ongoing. Of course the world is still talking about that.

It's your point of view that those were bad choices. Why pretend otherwise?

Well, you're hearing people talk about them still for a reason buddy. Nobody talks about good news.

dead people, historically, lack a POV

And that is why he is talked about - because he is massively damaging powerful presence. And yes people who voted for him looked forwards to have fun watching the damage.

Trump was always attention sucking drama queen. So yes, voting for him is a vote to have Trump in news worldwide.

> Presidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current president thinks variously incredulous things.

And we shouldn't criticize them? Is that the point?

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