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If you have not tried DeepdeekV4 you're missing out. The pricing makes it unbelievably good.

The chains of thought for Deepseek are very very interesting reads. Open code won't show them but do read them and you'll be surprised at how underrated the model is.

My model usage is very low but I still do pay directly to Deepseek regularly as my tribute and contribution to them open sourcing their models as my gratitude and showing support for what I deem positive for overall social good.

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It’s good and cheap, but don’t talk about politics to it or it might trigger some sort of censorship rule. You can see it think, then suddenly erase everything and suggest to switch to another subject, without explaining anything. I also had it output some sort of generic message about how the news outlets are in the service of the people. Both times I was surprised because I didn’t make any sensitive requests, neither illegal nor subversive. But it was a remotely political topic and it was enough. There was something both chilling and refreshing about it, since censorship in the west is usually more subtle.

The base model doesn't have these problems FWIW

How are you running the base model?

vLLM in a docker container, FP16 quantized on an 8x MI300X cluster. Very lazy hackjob, I didn't even set up an interface. Was constructing curl commands from string templates. I worked out if I paid that compute cost over a whole month, it was twice as expensive as the monthlies you'd pay for owning a very nice 2000sqft non-coop apartment in Midtown Manhattan. I was paying rock bottom prices, too.

do most people use llms to chat about politics?

"do most people use llms to chat about [specific thing]?"

No, of course not, why do you ask?

I once was doing unrelated work to politics, but Qwen3 said that my input had homonym characters to those in the name of Xi Jimping. It gave the strangest response twice before finally admitting the source of the error and allowing me to convince it that no, I was not trying to intentionally misspell the man’s name.

How is the censorship when asking for "dangerous" actions like writing a port scanner?

Yes - the model is REALLY good. I try Claude at work and Deepseek personally and this is the only model that works without trying to actively bankcrypt me.

Perhaps unintentional, but I find 'bankrypt' to be a thoroughly interesting portmonteau.

I'm not sure if it's when you run out of crypto, or when your bank gets hit by ransomeware.

Ironically you spelled portmanteau incorrectly. OP very well could have made a similar error for bankrupt. Maybe not, interesting to think about.

I'll be honest, I carefully scanned your comment for a similar mispelling.

its misspelling all the way dwon

I thought of it as crypt in the sense of "underground vault that acts a a burial place". So, not just ensuring you're bankrupt but with maybe a chance to start over, but "bankrypt", so bankrupt that they make sure you're buried.

Either way, something interesting about that accidental misspelling. It will probably become someone's band name one day.

Reasoning display can be toggled in opencode

I live V4 Pro for certain things but I've been quite impressed with V4 Flash for coding. It's terse, to the point, tends to make few mistakes and is pretty fast.

same here. gpt-5.x medium was my default for coding and v4 flash (max) has completely replaced it. it's the first open source model that made me feel like I could just let rip and not worry any more than Claude or GPT.

When planning small-to-medium sized changes, I found that it was a little bit faster than GPT-5.5 (high) and produced equivalent results. on large changes its results were fine but GPT's were more thoroughly thought through. DS v4 beats the absolute pants off GPT when it comes tone and style though.

Opencode absolutely will show you. You just have to toggle “Expand Reasoning”

OpenCode does show them when you select so in the settings - at least I’ve been getting very long traces so I’d be surprised to learn they are summaries.

i see the reasoning traces in opencode (cli). maybe it's a setting?

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