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Apple-OpenAI Relationship Frays, Setting Up Possible Legal Fight

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If I’m reading this correctly, OpenAI is upset because Apple hasn’t made their features visible enough yet.

Which seems like a bonkers reason to try and sue, and one which could backfire spectacularly on them, if Apple sends people into court to testify under oath that OpenAI’s features didn’t ship because they didn’t meet quality bars.

(Also, between this and the “please try Enterprise Codex, we’ll give you two months of free credits” announcement from a couple days ago, there’s a real whiff of desperation coming from OpenAI lately. They must really be feeling the heat from Anthropic)

Our country can't make good movies or TV anymore so bring on the courthouse drama

I think they're feeling the heat from their promised IPO and having to file a S1.

Pretty much this is the reason.

Also, discovery on the OpenAI side seems like it would be especially juicy.

I am dubious that this is anything other than a marketing/bluster/distraction tactic from OpenAI though.

What fight? OpenAI is getting nothing from Apple just like Bloomberg is not getting any money for me to read their article.

I can only see the first couple of paragraphs, but it's OpenAI following in the footsteps of every other company that doesn't have a viable product: litigation.

I lol’d at this because I also didn’t pay for access. But… aren’t we all just hypocrites and kind of jerks to not give even a few dollars to people out there doing reporting and providing us with information? “Ads and tracking are bad, boo! Pay $5 for a subscription — hell no!”

lol wish Bloomberg was that cheap . Last time I renewed It was like 280/yr and retail is like $35/month.

Still probably worth it , financial news publishers generally have less bias[1]/sensationalism than general broadsheets. Bloomberg/FT have been by my go to for factual news without too much hyperbole , click bait.

[1] There will be pro-business bias of course which in US these days I think as outside the political spectrum , both parties have very bad polices for businesses or labour.

While subscriptions can net you ad-free content, they rarely let you have it tracking-free.

I used to spend money on Bloomberg’s news magazine (newspaper), but stopped because it’s a distant second to the Economist.

If payment isn't required, I'm not going to pay unless there is extraordinary value. Your failure to establish a sustainable business model is not my problem.

While (presumably) no money was exchanged, Apple and OpenAI entered a contractual agreement, and apparently OpenAI believes that Apple hasn’t met its contractual obligations.

https://archive.is/Ingcu

It sounds like Apple is re-learning the lesson that relying on a 3rd party can be a liability.

Pretty sure Apple can survive a legal war like this. On the other hand, it sounds like OpenAI is punching above its weight.

Now they can, 30 years ago not really.

Ofc, they were practically dying 30 years ago. But I can't really see why that's is relevant here.

Just a heads up, because many weren't even around and think Apple was always printing money.

Still makes no sense to bring this up now

It sounds more like OpenAI has learned a lesson here.

I don’t get it.

OpenAI was dreaming of some billions from this partnership that didn’t happen.

Assuming there is a contract with rights, obligations and responsibilities both parties signed, I can’t imagine a company like Apple exposing itself by not honoring their part.

So sue for what? “We dreamt of more and it didn’t happen”?

This closes a very painful chapter for Apple.

The reactive rather than proactive strategy circa 23-24 is now telling. The market/tech zeitgeist forced their hand into producing the flop Apple Intelligence and partnership with OpenAI. Their leaders were caught sleeping at the wheel, particularly ineffective was John Gianneadrea (who was subsequently forced out).

In addition, they have lost talent in consumer devices to OpenAI, though it remains to be seen whether they themselves can produce something better than Humane (also ex-Apple folks)

No doubt Apple is working on something in the background, and there are sparks of hope for them in the ML community with Local LLMs on Apple Silicon.

Finally some good news.

I keep hoping that Apple is going to pull out some sort of local LLM you run on your larger/more capable Mac hardware and then has a slick interface for control from your iPhone and iPad. I think/hope they've realized that using ChatGPT to create slop content isn't really the best use of AI, nor is it what Apple users actually care about.

I’d love to see them bring back “Back to My Mac” into the Apple ecosystem. Access home resources tied to your Apple account without installing anything.

Apple TV-esque home hub with wireless router and local LLM capabilities would be clutch for people without desktop Macs.

Rumor is that they intend to make a home hub. I suspect it was delayed due to Siri AI not being ready.

I wished I'd picked up an M3 Studio with 512GB of RAM back in the day!

Latest macOS does have an integrated local LLM shipped on device! Not SOTA but something.

The article makes it sound like OpenAI is really entitled in this one. Also legal action is obviously going to be a strong signal of OpenAI's friendliness /s.

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