Ask HN: Where to Look for Civil Discussions?

I've been growing increasingly tired of X, it seems like half of my feed is raging around Europoor this and that, proudly bigoted takes and Elon fanboyism.

I know that I do affect my feed, I've been unfollowing a lot of people whom I've previously considered relevant.

I'm not sure when it changed, it all feels like a huge Trumpism-Elonism cesspool, where the norm is that the more outrageous your take is, the more proud of it you should be.

I'm not even saying this politically, it's just intellectually disgusting.

When I go to alternatives like Bluesky or Mastodon it feels empty.

Is there a sane place on the web left?