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Github has 84.92% uptime in the last 90 days according to https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses

I don't know how this is even remotely close to acceptable.

IMO that site overcounts downtime. If you filter for major and critical outages (the kind that make the front page of HN), the story is still bad but it’s not 84.92% bad.

https://isgithubcooked.com/?severities=major.critical

2/9 9s is pretty awful.

We aim for 9 5s

2/5 9s is pretty awful.

Read that again.

haha thank you.

It isn't. Lots of unacceptable things going on these days and everyone seems to be accepting them just fine.

We should make an alternative git site, but how to acquire users?

What do you need users for?

GH is not a social network

I don't know. Everyone seems to be using GitHub only because everyone else is using GitHub. Apparently that's important somehow. Me, I use "git init"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

It's a lot easier to get bug reports and fixes when everyone is on the same auth system.

That's why there is also a call for federated forges

Why is it easier to submit a bug report if my bug reporting system is run by the same company as your code repository? Why are those things even slightly related?

Because users and community contributors most likely already have an account, are familiar with the UI.

There is also the "gamification" aspect that GitHub have. Doesn't motivate me personally, but could have effect on some others.

Projects on GitHub gets a lot more visibility. To the point that many projects that do not use GitHub as their main forge are still often mirroring their repository there, and have to deal with double source of bug reports or pr.

If it's just about the account, this can be solved by using their existing account (log in with Google/Apple/GitHub/email) or no account at all.

> same auth system

I'm confused with auth has to do with it?

We've had OAuth 2.0 since 2012

Make it nerdy enough to scare of agentic coders only. Also, blackjack and hookers are said to be helpful in such circumstances.

sourcehut is pretty close

> Also, blackjack and hookers are said to be helpful in such circumstances.

Actually, forget about the site...

Forgejo is a thing. But the headlines lately make it sound like it’s not in great shape either.

Could you expand? I couldn't find anything relevant after a few search attempts.

Yeah, look for HN headlines with forgejo and carrot (iirc). It made a lot of noise in the last couple weeks.

codeberg is doing fine

If measured the same way, ie combined status across all products, then codeberg is also at a whopping 0 9s.

https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

> We should make an alternative git site, but how to acquire users?

Buy ad space on Github's outage page?

I think it's like some kind of collective inferiority complex. Nobody really understands things anymore but everyone is afraid to point out mistakes of others because they are scared to come under scrutiny themselves then.

I don't think it's an inferiority complex, negativity sells more and carefully understanding things doesn't sell as much

Guarantee enterprises with SLAs aren't accepting them

The thing about an SLA is that once you’ve broken it you’ve lost the trust. It doesn’t _really_ matter what the cost is for breaking it, nobody chooses their platform based on the refund they’ll get if they’re down. But they absolutely do choose based on reliability and uptime. The enterprise SLA refund credit will show as a (big) metering blip, but the problem is the people who signed the contracts are going to be speaking to Gitlab now

I, for one, am not paying them enough money to expect any better.

I think the default position people like to take generally is to just go with the status quo. GitHub has reached status quo level. As in "nobody ever got fired for choosing GitHub". It's the only forge I've seen advertisements for in the meatspace, and even non-technical people know about it. On job applications, companies ask for my GitHub URL. I think it'll be awhile now before they get abandoned. That said, I recently started moving my stuff over to Codeberg. The change needs to start with us, the people writing software.

They can't even get two eights, let alone three nines.

Hey there's a nine in there, so it's fine!

At least one 9 … somewhere

ffs can we stop talking about that number and site already.

It treats any service being down as the entire platform being down which is nonsense.

It's just lying with statistics.

The individual numbers for git operations, pull requests, and actions are all still single-nine.

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