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This is the future though. Open weights models that run on H200s provide far more opportunity to build products and real infrastructure around.

You can always distill this for your little RTX at home. But models shaped for consumer hardware will never win wide adoption or remain competitive with frontier labs.

This is something that _can_ compete. And it will both necessitate and inspire a new generation of open cloud infra to run inference. "Push button, deploy" or "Push button, fine tune" shaped products at the start, then far more advanced products that only open weights not locked behind an API can accomplish.

Now we just need open weights Nano Banana Pro / GPT Image 2, and Seedance 2.0 equivalents.

The battle and focus should be on open weights for the data center.

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These large MoE models can work quite well on consumer or prosumer platforms, they'll just be slow, and you have to offset that by running them unattended around the clock. (Something that you can't really do with large SOTA models without spending way too much on tokens.) This actually works quite well for DeepSeek V4 series which has comparatively tiny KV-cache sizes so even a consumer platform can run big batches in parallel.

I don’t fully understand what open weights unlocks that cannot be accomplished via API from a product standpoint.

Open weights is great if you want to do additional training, or if you need on-prem for security.

Or try to beat Anthropic's uptime.

Multiple providers of the same model. That means competition for price, reliability, latency, etc. It also means you can use the same model as long as you want, instead of having it silently change behaviour.

Those open weight providers where found nerfing models too.

> Open weights is great if you want to do additional training, or if you need on-prem for security.

The power of giving universities, companies, and hackers "full" models should not be understated.

Here are a just a few ideas for image, video, and creative media models:

- Suddenly you're not "blocked" for entire innocuous prompts. This is a huge issue.

- You can fine tune the model to learn/do new things. A lighting adjustment model, a pose adjustment model. You can hook up the model to mocap, train it to generate plates, etc.

- You can fine tune it on your brand aesthetic and not have it washed out.

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