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Cloudflare are very much pushing back: https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-rela...

This statement really makes no sense..

> Google, Cloudflare, VPN providers, and other entities facilitating piracy are responsible for the illegal activities they enable and profit from.

Why wouldn't ISPs be responsible too? or the cable modem providers? or the computer providers? or your eyes. Let's just blame all those things and not the person that made it or the person that consumes it.

Cloudflare are actively involved in publishing this content — they are equivalent to the hosting provider.

Not true, they just proxy the pirating sites to their true host. They have about the same responsability as the ISP themselves. Maybe you want Cloudflare to decide what to proxy and what to block without a judge ordering it.

Your ISP will route your packets and not obfuscate the original destination nor cache any content, provide Ddos protections, WAF,...

Cloudflare does.

> Your ISP will route your packets and not obfuscate the original destination nor cache any content,

That's not true. ISPs modify returned content. https://lukerodgers.ca/2023/12/09/optimum-isp-is-mitming-its... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NebuAd

That's true, at least for most internet service providers. You're just nitpicking for the sake of it.

My ISP obfuscates my location by replacing it with an IP address . However, if the government wants to know my location, they can ask my ISP to find out a physical address based on an IP address. They can also ask Cloudflare to find out an origin IP address based on a domain name. This is normal. It's also slow. The Spanish government doesn't want to bother arresting pirates, it would rather be seen doing something about the problem, without doing something about the problem.

it's La Liga, what do you expect?

> Through this conduct, Cloudflare is actively enabling illegal activities such as human trafficking, prostitution, pornography, counterfeiting, fraud, and scams, among other things.

Pornography is illegal in Spain now?

hey, at least they've dropped terrorism and organized crime from the list of "if you support piracy you are really supporting..."

Prostitution isn't illegal, is a-legal (the prostitutes register as waitress or similar). Pimping is illegal.

That statement from La Liga is nothing short of embarrassing. Raving about child pornography, in a simple copyright infringement case? And the repeated focus on "IPs" is incredibly disingenuous; Cloudflare's multiplexing of half the internet onto a small number of IP addresses is not exactly a secret in the tech community.

Why are Spain's courts allowing this injunction to stand? It's clearly being used to bring the court system itself into disrepute at this point.

conservative (as in old school, football friendly) judges are not exactly new

From the link:

> Cloudflare has facilitated by knowingly protecting criminal organisations for profit

The propaganda is strong with these guys ...

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