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Caveman is useless for me. We are in the year 2026, computers are here to serve me, and bring me comfort. Caveman is a caveman, speaks like an idiot. I don't want to interact with an idiot. It's irritating, and as the article states, an overhyped turd.

It is the same idiocy that permeates EV cars. You buy an expensive car to go from A to B and at the same time offer you comfort. When I have to think about using the seat heating or not, I'm out of my comfort zone. So no, fuck caveman, and I don't fucking care about the burned tokens.

Be brief. It's easy, no setup needed, not another mindless mumbojumbo extension and its 325 dependencies.

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Of the things you could complain about in modern cars as being too complicated, you chose turning on seat heating???

Like you push the seat heating button if your seat feels cold. What is there to think about?

On an electric car that yells at you your range left and that you won't make it to your destination unless you charge, if you turn on the seat warmers, that range goes down so you have to think about if you'd rather have a toasty butt and have to stop and charge, or just be colder and get there sooner. But you have to charge anyway.

That sounds like a problem with whatever brand of car that is. Is it one made by a certain white supremacist perhaps? That could be the problem.

Using the heated seats will cause you to loose range on every car, not just electric

Ohrly? Are you reading HN or pretending to be stupid?

I’m often stupid, but usually not on purpose. What’s your point?

In an ICE powered car, running the heater doesn't have the same effect on range. Because an ICE is hot due to how it works, sending hot air to the car's interior is basically free because the heater uses waste heat from the engine.

We're talking about the seat heaters though. I'm pretty sure heated seats use resistive heaters and not waste heat from the engine

Doesn't "be brief" lobotomize the model, too? The good stuff comes at the ends of difficult sentences, ie the latent gold lies at the end of fully arcing latent rainbows, no?

I enabled it and I had to read carefully to check if it was really active... turns out I never read the words that caveman omits, so to me it makes zero difference.

Yeah, makes sense. The appeal is is more to cut output tokens for cost, than downstream reading experience. But the benchmark suggests it doesn't offer as much benefit as "be brief.".

> I don't want to interact with an idiot.

Then why are you using AI?

Not a big difference between an articulate idiot and a succinct one.

Have to test its limits.... to cut through the bs. otherwise you'd have to read whitepapers...

But you can turn off brain. Try make self idiot. Save brain energy for important. Smarty speaks in idiot. When smarty speak like that is consistent. Idiot understand fast.

It would have been hilarious if the author spoke like a caveman in his video or had a section in that article where he explained his conclusions like a caveman.

Was this actually easier to write than just writing what comes naturally?

Heck no. I had fun though.

Agree "be brief." being simpler with no setup is most of what people need in practice. To be fair to caveman though, it does more than compression; consistent output structure, intensity modes via slash commands, hook-based ruleset persistence, the safety escape on destructive ops. The benchmark only tested the compression piece, and there the two-word prompt held its own.

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