Hacker News Reader

Tit for tat. US administration thought they would contain China. Now Deepseek v4 is running on their home grown chips. US companies lost that hardware revenue and dependency instead.

View on HN

Weird, why does China want GPUs then?

Also, regarding that "tit for tat", how large of a "tat" is due, regarding decades of corporate espionage?

Oh it's okay check what US did with the TikTok.

Corporate espionage isn't the only factor behind China's rise.

It is relentless hardwork.

>check what US did with the TikTok.

A specific case in which the US demanded a tiny fraction of what China does systematically, orders of magnitude worse. Okay. Didn't even take that into account to begin with but that's an even larger "tat" then I guess.

Do they pay you extra for the gratuitous glazing?

Deepseek v4 is still pretty far behind the frontier models though.

It's really hard to tell. Almost all the models have the benchmarks in their training data, which pushes us into the realm of basing model capability rankings on vibes. I think the OSS models tend to do worse on things outside their corpus, but Deepseek specifically has done insanely good work on efficiency and scaling, which is verifiable in a way capabilities are not.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com