Thanks to CPPIB, Canada does not have have a giant unfunded pension liability (unlike our neighbors to the south). It has been an enormous success story.
The Australians seem to have the best model overall though. Mandatory payments in to private investments has made them very wealthy.
The UK system takes the national insurance contributions of workers but doesn’t invest them in anything on behalf of the individual. So despite decades of payments you technically have nothing at the end and survive on the goodwill of the government and current taxpayers. That works right now because of the population pyramid.
Canada definitely has a better system than that.
That's how Social Security works in the United States as well.
I also have a number of qualifying years in the UK when I didn’t work, and for decades you could buy a year contribution for about £150. The payout is £12,500 per year.
Is it really a pyramid if the base is less wide than the top? I guess it would be an upside down pyramid, but not very useful for the intended purpose then.
Did they?
> Where 20 years ago the CPPIB had just 150 employees and total costs of $118-million, it now has more than 2,100 employees and total expenses (not including taxes or financing costs) in excess of $6-billion.
But...they don't appear to be terrible v. their peers, but that might be an indictment of pension funds.
Future payments in the short term are covered by inflows.
You might as well maximize the returns now so that in the future when it's not covered by inflows you've acrewed a larger return.
is that similar to the Ponzi scheme pattern, though?
Whereas having individual years when the fund pays out more than it collected in interest is not a problem as long as that's not what happens on average.
Because I can trivially beat the market by ~100% by going long on 3:1 margin.
The volatility is why that's a bad idea. One time out of five, the consequence of that investment strategy is 'The market had a crash and I lose everything'.
'Lol, YOLO' is not a great investment strategy for a well-ran country.
Which is why that strategy doesn't actually beat the market. Keep using it for 30 years and you're bankrupt.
Whereas if you put your money in a major index 30 years ago and left it there, or even 50 or more years ago, what result? Are you even in a bad place if you put all your money into the market in 1926 and left it there for 100 years?
Going full index is a great strategy for an individual person aged 20-50, but not a strategy for a pension fund which needs to continuously pay out.
It's OK for a person in their 70s that has a few million in the bank.
This person (CPPIB) has 780 billion and has a sustainability rating for 75 years.
While your metric is common to compare pensions, it's not relevant for debunking ability to survive a recession.
6 million x $100k is 600 billion.
Whereas the annual benefits paid is ONLY 1/10th that at 60 billion/year.
Turn off 80 billion/year in contributions and the investment income (50-60 billion/year) can sustain.
It's still going back to the same assumptions that you're not only timing a depression but also
(a) don't have pre-funding (i.e., millions for an individual at the start of the depression),
(b) don't have CPPIB guardrails and auto-adjustment mechanisms,
(c) and it's not a partial income replacement scheme.
> It will only last 5-10 years without inflows
Without inflows? That's not realistic because people would still be contributing. In fact, CPPIB has triannual resets of contributions and in a recession, they'd up the contribution rate. In a recent actuarial audit, they found that if real returns dropped to 2.5%, then they'd only need to boost contributions from 9% to 11% to keep their 75-year sustainability target.
The advice that you need to taper off your investment portfolio risk as you get older doesn't really apply to people that have a nest egg. I know a lot of people that aren't necessarily living frugally and are told by their financial advisors that they might as well upgrade their cars, travel more, etc. They can cover their costs and don't have net worth > ~$3 million.
Clearly, I am aware of the CPPIB's structure even citing the Office of Chief Actuary's report regarding downside scenarios and health scores. [0]
[0] https://www.osfi-bsif.gc.ca/en/oca/actuarial-reports/actuari...
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> if a retirement fund had put all their money into a stock index in 1926, it wouldn’t have been able to pay out pensions throughout the 1930s and 1940s
Point was that this/your rationale doesn't apply to CPPIB's situation.
That wouldn’t work in a major depression when there is high unemployment and inflows drop.
Let's not forget, CPPIB underperformed a passive benchmark during the Great Financial Crisis and lost 18.8% in FY09.
If your fund gets consistently lower returns than if you had just stuck everything in a 60/40 portfolio, the whole endeavor has failed.
The risk is nominally that if you ever wanted to move a fund that large into some other investments, the act of selling would lower the price of the assets in the fund. But that's what happens no matter what you invest that amount of money in. But then widely distributed whole-market indexes would tend to mitigate that.
The real problem with this is that it disconnects what people invest in from the fundamentals of the companies. Promising companies don't get as much investment if they're not in an index, and mismanaged companies get too much if they are.
I'm confused because my question was whether a sovereign wealth fund could move an index by too much. Not about the issues with index investing (which IMO are mostly overblown).
> But the CPP fund didn’t just underperform the indexes last year. It has done so, on average, ever since it switched to active management. That’s the admission you find buried on page 41 (it was on page 39 last year): since fiscal 2007, “the Fund generated an annualized value added of negative 0.2 per cent.” Compound that 0.2 per cent annual shortfall over 19 years, and it adds up to more than $70-billion in forgone income, on assets that now total $714-billion. [0]
[0] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-cppib-pensio...