No, I assure you, we do not. Nobody wants to live in hell. Even at my current company, we are mandated solely to use Teams for meetings. But nobody uses it for chat.
Thankfully we have Slack to save us from that hell. Even if giphy is disabled because it might have R rated content whatever the hell that means.
> No, I assure you, we do not
This absolutism is tiring. I can assure you there are plenty of companies who use teams as their sole messaging platform. My company uses slack, teams, and zoom. Which one you use the most depends on the person or the team they are on. (Although zoom is being phased out to the chagrin of some folks).
Teams isn't without it's issues, it's annoyingly slow, and startup takes so long I have missed a meeting or two because of it. But, the conferencing experience is pretty decent, and I think you're just being contrarian for the sake of it.
What is really tiring is using Teams as a tool to embed other websites. Because that's what "apps" and most other functionalities are.
Teams is just a very slow web browser with the worst possible way to manage bookmarks and tabs.
You clearly don't have an organization fully onboarded to Teams, as you yourself describe. You use it as a conferencing tool. When you add all the other bloat Teams promotes it becomes a burden that makes me want to come back to sorting thousands of emails with outlook rules.
Clearly? Because they don't feel as passionate about a chat app as you? That's your conclusion from that statement?
> Teams is just a very slow web browser with the worst possible way to manage bookmarks and tabs.
I honestly don't even know what this means. Do you have any experience onboarding a full organization? It sounds like you're just lifting stuff from HN.
> When you add all the other bloat Teams promotes
I've been managing a Teams organization for over 6 years now and the only issue we have is when people are on too many teams. And by too many, I mean 100s of Teams at once. We're a healthcare provider that auto-creates teams for each patient we see and assigns people to them and when managers want to be on all teams, it becomes difficult to use.
If you don't have the skills to manage it, maybe you should step let someone with more experience do it for you.
As for second - please don't assume who I am and what I do. I work with Teams daily in large org (>500k people). As a user. And as a user I see that I have plenty of apps integrated. It's absolutely idiotic how - they just take away my ability to use chat. Apps are pushed as tabs in group chat, as tabs in Teams teams (It's crazy that this is a thing, it's even worse translated), as icons in menu... And all of them take over the screen so I can't look at a file and chat at the same time. It's possible to open new windows, but you have to plan that in advance. And you can't do that when you have hundreds of chats and groups. And I do have a lot of them in such org, and all of them are large group chats. You can't just have a stable window with just text content. That's what I mean - teams enforces taking over the whole ui to have a look at something, then runs a huge webapp for me to look at it. And doesn't make it easy to come back to your previous context.
> If you don't have the skills to manage it (...)
Again, I don't know what do you reply to. I don't manage teams. I use it. And please don't try to insult like that, it's not cool, especially when you can't even direct your comments to the correct person. I talk of UI, you talk of managing teams as an operator... Maybe that's a teams habit of loosing track of the context, huh?
This sounds exhausting. This is the reason everyone should use one.
I’m in Linux with portal for teams (electron app)… and it’s fine. Like, we moved to it from slack and I just don’t see much of a difference. I type stuff, and people see it. I set up a call and people join, we talk.
What is it that is so broken, or is it just cool to hate?
I wish... I'm on Windows 11 Enterprise with corporate Teams, definitely 100% Microsoft approved combination and:
- on one channel my message never got sent, while on another channel it does work
- sometimes when I scrolled up the old messages doesn't show up, with a 'message removed by organization retention policy' text.. but those are messages from yesterday and sometimes when I restarted Teams it shows up again.. sometime it doesn't but when I opened web Teams it does show up
- sometime I can't connect to Teams for no reason, restarting Teams and computer doesn't help either, went to the IT helpdesk and they spent several minutes redoing what I did until they just googled it and delete the cookies or something
I also used slack and from my perspective its 100% reliable at delivering text messages
Slack is definitely better but I have had issues with message delivery and things especially across the "native" desktop application and the mobile app.
Ventrilo, teamspeak, discord, mumble, skype, teams, slack
And id say teams are okayish, nothing wrong about them
Discord is #1
On Slack I can just press command - <number> and I'm switching between client Slack accounts.
On Teams? Nope. Nope. Nope.
And since you can actually have a chat window open from a different tenant, there’s no reason why they should have you do this ridiculous dance.
If teams wasn’t so god-awful slow, and with an interface jumping around all the time, people would probably complain much less of having to select something in a dropdown.
What? https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/nonprofittechies/ho...
> Click the name of the org you want to switch to. Teams will reload in that environment.
or
> Open teams.microsoft.com in a browser for one org while using the desktop app for another.
How convenient! To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION. Or just log in via multiple separate browsers or cereate a full-ass browser profile for each organisation.
That's a weee bit harder than hitting command-2...
It's a garbage fire, people only use it because it's "free" if you have a M365 subscription for the company, not because it's in any way good.
> To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION
lol Where are you reading "reload the whole application"? It's literally a dropdown menu in the Teams application. It switches the tenant.
> That's a weee bit harder than hitting command-2...
Oh my god, clicking a single dropdown isn't a "weee bit harder". You're acting psychotic about this.
It cannot connect to two environments at the same time, it basically has to restart from scratch to swap environments. Whether it’s a drop down or not is irrelevant.
Their official instructions say “just use multiple browser profiles”. Not very multi-tenant of them.
Which is actually all the more infuriating to my eyes: this whole reload the app crap is obviously not necessary!
Sometimes I go to join a meeting and the join button is disabled, I have to get someone else to request me to join.
Occasionally my calendar just shows empty, lol.
Chat mostly works fine but meetings are weird.
Ever been forced to use production software with memory leaks in a corporate environment?
10s of thousands of employees needing to restart their computers every few hours or to live with sloggish computers, ruining so many billable hours, over a few years (this is only 1 company).
Hell, I still keep my restart teams.bat I build to single click kill/restart the process cause of the trauma received from the time spent telling everyone why their laptops were unusable without a reboot (or prices restart) during choppy voice and video calls..
It also doesn't help whatsoever that Microsoft did this a bunch of times over the years too with Lync, Communicator, skype, skype for business, MSN messenger (not in chronological order)...
MS Teams also updates every few days. A lot of it feels like someone is flinging features to the wall and see what sticks, but a lot of it is also just hoping that you get a working chat client that day.
You'd think their company would be able to retain some experience about relaunching a new cannabalistic product but no, this latest attempt to destroy a competitor with Teams has been the most painful out of them all.
Hate doesn't begin to explain my special relationship with this piece of software.
I suppose this is probably why MS seems intent on killing the app versions à la “New Outlook” and etc.
The most painful thing I can think of with Teams in years of Linux use has been I can’t upload more than 10 things at once, and notifications of meetings could be better.
This is just like the hate for paid databases, operating systems and big clouds. Easy targets that seem politically convenient to attack on statistical grounds ("I think most people here might agree with me"). It's ultimately childish behavior. Adults explore nuance and find compromise between competing ideas. I find myself constantly defending the proverbial empire around here because of the intense tribalism. If we were focused more on the customer and doing a good job, half of this nonsense would disappear overnight.
Microsoft makes some of the best software on earth. Teams is certainly not an example of that (yet), but it's also not the worst thing they've done. Not even close.
My single biggest pet peeve, how it handles chats from meetings when you are not in the meeting. I have lost so many chats (or never got responses) because they were hidden in meeting chats that for some reason don't appear in your normal chat list.
Sure Slack had its own issues, but I don't remember ever feeling like I was actively fighting it and loosing.
I notice that ( still goes into emoji mode though.
So, the worst of both worlds. I should not be surprised. (And I am not.)