Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'
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Now finding out this is essentially SOP for Israel and the United States (eg: the triple-tap strike at the Iranian girl's school where parents rushing to save their kids from the collapsed school were hit in the second and third strike), I wonder if the terrorists learnt this tactic from the US coalition or vice-versa.
Who are "the terrorists"?
The problem is that the label is used in media to assign moral judgement, when it's just a political proscription that is typically assigned for entirely geopolitical reasons. Almost every country occupying a foreign territory, or is engaged in war with a group, or even another country, calls military action of the other side terrorism.
It doesn't mean anything. If it is to carry a moral judgement, it needs to be based on universally applied principles. It takes 5 seconds of thinking to see that it's absolutely not based on universally applied principles.
This was a reason why bombers attacked in multiple waves.
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>why bombers attacked in multiple waves
While historians tend to disagree (rightly IMHO) with the severity of the Dresden Bombings, as reported by Kurt Vonnegut (WWII POW @Dresden)... it was definitely a disgraceful targeting-of-civilians, by Allied Forces, for the sake of demonstrating Power, alone.
Complete and utter devastation, no survivor left unravaged.
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War is a racket.
At that point, another voice – presumably an officer not on scene – asks if the van is “picking up the wounded” and is told that they are. Two Iraqis from the van carry the wounded man around the side of the van to load him inside.
An American voice with the call sign “Bushmaster 7” says, “Roger, engage.” One of the helicopters blankets the van with machine-gun fire.
“Oh yeah, right through the windshield,” says one of the soldiers, while another voice on board briefly laughs. “There were approximately four to five individuals in that truck, so I’m counting about 12-15″ casualties.”
Later when news that two girls had been badly injured was greeted with: "Well, it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle."
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
Religious crazies have taken over Israel and they simply don't value the lives of non Jews. They want those poor citizens gone for more Semitic Lebensraum.
- Israel expanded the use of its murderous “Hannibal Directive” – designed to prevent soldiers from being taken alive as prisoners of war – by killing many of its own civilians.
- The use of such “Hannibal” strikes are confirmed in a UN report published in June. - Fire from Israeli helicopters, drones, tanks and even ground troops was deliberately undertaken in order to prevent Palestinian fighters from taking live Israeli captives who could be exchanged for Palestinian prisoners.
- At the initiative of the local Gaza Division, “Hannibal” was carried out right away: less than an hour after the Palestinian offensive began. “Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza,” the division was ordered at 11:22 am.
- By midday, an unambiguous order was given from the high command of the Israeli military (the so-called “Pit” headquarters, deep under Israel’s Hakirya building in downtown Tel Aviv) to invoke the Hannibal Directive throughout the entire region, “even if this means the endangerment or harming of the lives of civilians in the region, including the captives themselves.”
- Israel has been engaged in an aggressive cover-up of its crimes against its own people.
- “Every day in captivity was very hard,” one former detainee said at the angry meeting. “I was in a house when there were bombardments all around. We were sitting in tunnels and we were very afraid that, not Hamas, but Israel would kill us, and then they’ll say: ‘Hamas killed you.’” Another released detainee said: “The fact is that I was in a hideaway that was bombed, and we had to be smuggled away, and we were injured. Not to mention that we were shot at by a helicopter when we were on our way to Gaza … You are bombing the tunnel routes exactly in the area where they [the other captives] are.”
Think about the irony in that - Hamas wanted to keep, and did more, to keep the Israeli hostages alive than their own government or the IDF! (This is what happens when wacko religious fundamentalists run a country).
Sources:
1. How Israel killed its own people on October 7 - https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-killed-hun...
2. IDF carried out Hannibal Directive, new 'Sword of Damocles' operation on October 7 - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-84400...
3. Israel’s use of Hannibal Directive led to many deaths on October 7, including Israeli civilians - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/07/10/pqkz-j10.html
The Hannibal Directive is supposed to prevent kidnappings, in a similar vein as "the US does not negotiate with terrorists". Say what you want about it, but it's not borne from Israel's callousness towards its own people, it's borne from facing truly monstrous enemies.
Finally, and I know the odds of this succeeding are real low, I implore you to do what you can to get out of what seems like a Marxist/Leninist Israel/Palestine absolutist hole you're in. I don't know you or your background, and I don't know if my read here is correct. But sourcing "electronicintifada" and "wsws" (straight up propaganda outlet and ML rag) or claiming elsewhere that Biden/Democrats would have supported Israel's attack on Iran (not even Israel thinks this, and the evidence is they didn't do it under Biden) gives me some pretty clear signals. I want to be clear: these people are nuts. MLs are nuts. Pro-Pali antisemites are nuts. (Again if I'm right) you're in the equivalent of thinking ivermectin will get you laid right now, completely off the deep end. Timothy Leary said it best: think for yourself, question authority. Don't be a useful idiot for these evil people.
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...
> The HRC report does not say this: "227. The Commission verified information indicating that, in at least two other cases, Israeli Security Forces counter-offensive actions resulted in harm to and the killing of Israeli civilians and, in one of the cases, the actions were undertaken with clear knowledge of this risk. According to the Commission’s investigation, in these two cases at least 14 Israeli civilians were likely killed as a result of Israeli Security Forces fire: one woman was killed by helicopter fire while being taken from kibbutz Nir Oz to Gaza by militants78 and the other 13 were likely killed by tank shelling and crossfire in kibbutz Be’eri."
Really? What's the factual difference between the two statements? What EI wrote is a terse summary from the report confirming the fact that the IDF killed its own civilians. Other evidence, including from Israel's own Defence Minister confirms that the IDF were told to execute the Hannibal Directive (which is an order to kill their own people). There's no stretch in relating the two.
"The US does not negotiate with terrorists" doesn't mean that they also prioritise killing their own soldiers or citizens, as the first line of defensive or offensive tactics.
And your attempts to paint me as some left-based extremist / conspiracist, due to the sources cited, is both ludicrous and laughable. I am an Indian, and Gandhi politically united us Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc by teaching us to recognise the extremists / religious fundamentalists amongst us, who only political thrive in fostering hatred, enmity and violence between communities. That is why we remain a secular nation. And aren't a communist nation too (as we understand that extremist left- leaders seeks to divide people by class - a different identity politics at play).
Left- or right- doesn't matter, and each have a constructive role to play - the trick is to keep extremism at bay.
Thus, I don't see Israeli Jews committing genocide against Palestinians or the Lebanese. What I see is the depravity of Israeli right-wing Jewish religious fundamentalists relishing in the blood-lust of slaughtering Palestinian and Lebanese women, children and the old simply because they are Arab Muslims and Christians, who refuse to leave the land where they were born. We ordinary human beings are not capable of such depravity, only the extremists are. Hitler did the same too - while the west has white-washed it, the Nazis where driven as much by Christian fundamentalism (as they were by the Eugenics) in creating the "us vs them" political narration of hate and violence. Netanyahu's politics is not so different from Hitler's or the Nazis today.
And just as Hitler's perverted Christian Nazism has nothing to do with Christianity as practiced by the ordinary Christians, Netanyahu's own perverted fundamentalist version of Jewish Fascism has nothing to do with Judaism of the ordinary Jews. Netanyahu's Jewish religious fundamentalism that drives the Israeli-right and the Islamic fundamentalism that drives the Palestinian-right are two faces of the same coin. Get rid of both, and the politics of hatred and violence in the region have a real chance to end.
No, what EI wrote is: "Hundreds of Israelis were likely killed by Israel itself in “Hannibal” targeting incidents as well as unintentional crossfire."
This is wrong, and also propaganda. Why would they do this? Think for yourself, question authority.
> We ordinary human beings are not capable of such depravity, only the extremists are.
There aren't enough extremists to do the truly abhorrent things. They need help from others, so they use tools like propaganda and coercion. Think for yourself, question authority.
I'm not here to defend the Likud party. I think what Israel prosecuted in the wake of the October 7th attacks was a genocide. But I do the next thing, which is learn the history and analyze a variety of sources with different incentives to get as clear a picture as possible, in hopes of not becoming a useful idiot for evil. Not everyone can do this, I understand. But I agree with 90% of what you wrote--you're clearly pretty smart and motivated, so I think you can.
Also apply think for yourself, question authority to me! Why would I do this? Am I a Zionist psyop? Am I virtue signaling on what I think is an influential message board? Am I ignoring my wife in a vain attempt at making the world a better place, which is something like the shadow of narcissism or the fear of irrelevancy?
Propaganda can be factual and based on truth too. Isn't everything in that statement factual? The Hannibal Directive specifically authorises the IDF to kill its own citizens. Multiple sources confirm the order was given. And EI doesn't claim that all of the dead civilians were killed only due to the Hannibal Directive, but also because of "unintentional crossfire" (i.e. collateral damage). This is also true and confirmed by multiple sources. Moreover, Israel was totally unprepared for the attacks and its response was poor and chaotic - Israel's own media has extensively reported on this and EI cites them (it has even provided English translation of those articles). In fact, Israel's own media accuses the Netanyahu government of deliberately not releasing the report on the intelligence failures leading to Oct 7 massacre and data on how many Israeli citizens (soldiers and civilians) were killed by the IDF, deliberately or unintentionally, as he faces an election and doesn't want the failures of Oct 7 to be an election issue.
We don't know each other, and communicating this way is hard because the lack of non-verbal cues make it easy to misunderstand each other. I understand your concern about political biases of the media that I have cited. I am aware of their biases too - I read both left- and right- leaning medias. And, as you suggest, I don't blindly believe everything I read and judge them on how logical and verifiable they are. The EI article I cited has many references, from reputable sources, that back up their assertions (so I find it credible and believe their claim that they spent over a year investigating it). The WSWS article also cites Israel's media. JPost is an Israeli media outlet.
Anyway, I think we agree on the main points. One thing I'd add is Netanyahu's corruption trial--which he'll almost certainly lose--was only suspended because of Israel's ongoing military operations, which are winding down. He's got a pattern of spinning military operations up to continue to defer this though (this isn't just me talking, this is former Israeli PM Ehud Olmert) so I mean, look for that to keep happening.
> How Israel's 'Legitimisation Cell' is justifying journalist killings in Gaza
You think Israel shows every bit of intel they have???? The last thing they showed being 2017 doesn't say he was only Hamas for four years.
The basic problem here is that all the terrorist groups over there call their propaganda people "reporters". In a sense they are, they are reporting on events. That does not make them not considered combatants, though. Israel has found terrorist affiliation for about half of the dead "reporters", but that doesn't make the others civilians. Hit a combatant, the person next to him is probably also a combatant.
Absolutely, they could even be future combatants even if they are not now. That's why killing schoolgirls in Iran, reporters in Lebanon, etc. is justified, they are all potential terrorists. It definitely can not be proven otherwise that they are not. Why take a chance? /s
Lookup the Jewish terrorist groups Irgu, Lehi, and Haganah. Lookup the assassination of Lord Moyne by Lehi and the 1946 Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel. The leaders of these terrorist groups eventually became Prime Ministers of Israel.
While you're at it, lookup the attack by the Israeli military on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans.
King David Hotel? You mean British military HQ? Who received and ignored the warning about the bomb?
USS Liberty--ever consider how hard it is to identify ships from the air in a combat situation? Israel knew the ship claimed to be American, but they thought that was a ruse.
Respectfully, it is relevant, as explained. Historical context matters.
> And by far the primary cause of Palestinians leaving was Arab countries telling them to get out of the way of the coming invasion.
Excepting, as in this case, where someone makes up a historical narrative with a handwave.
Everybody outside of the IDF PR department has accepted that Israel deliberately targeted USS Liberty.
The “misidentification” story was utterly unbelievable at the time, and remains so now. There are endless statements from top US national security officials directly calling the Israelis liars.
It's got to the point where it's like someone outrageously punching you in the face, then pretending they didn't or were the victims, when there is a response.
Needless to say, it's not exactly making you look too good.
Yet, even this kind of Zionist is under their own genocidal threat, "from the river to the sea", and instead of their being a sensible perspective of "maybe let's not kill a bunch of any people's" we are left with the never ending debate or whose worse.
In the meantime, this outrage appears to be more based in the criminal conduct of a genocidal state than any religious amenity
False.
> hundreds of years the subjects of the islamic empires remained majority the pre conquest religion
Even if this was true, which I dispute, Islam imposes all sorts of methods to oppress other religions. Like special taxes for those who aren’t Muslims.
> no muslim empire ever conquered indonesia and malaysia, yet they are two muslim majority countries today
And now these countries have inhumane systems like sharia courts.
And yes, they were taxed. Muslims paid zakat, non-Muslims paid jizyah. We can't make non-Muslims pay a religious tax, so they paid a different one. You make that sound like it's a bad thing.
Also, what you said about Malaysia and Indonesia is bizarrely bad and incorrect. It's not worth replying to you, you just spew lies like a Zionist. Oh wait...
You are spreading revisionist misinformation, but it’s also so obvious and easy to disprove with a quick search. Why even try to spin it this way?
Please quote this part from the Quran. I'd like to learn more.
- do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day
- do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful
- do not adopt the religion of truth (doesn't necessarily mean Islam, since true Christianity and Judaism believe in one God)
- from those who were given the Scripture. That includes Muslims themselves by the way, since they were given a scripture. Elsewhere in the Quran when it refers to Christians and Jews it says "People of the scripture". In other areas it mentions "Those who were given the scripture", which includes Muslims.
What it essentially says: if you do not follow the law of the land, whether you are a Christian, Jew, or a Muslim, there are consequences. Every nation has laws, and if you break those laws you will be prosecuted. In this case it says those will have to pay a "fine".
I find it quite hard to read this passage like you do and see this as evidence of equality of treatment between Muslims and non-Muslims. Even the translator interprets 'religion of truth' to mean Islam.
Plus I think in general you're ignoring the pretty hostile tone of this passage. The jizyah is explicitly intended to be a humiliation ("humbling"). I was skeptical, but I think this passages is strong evidence that the jizyah was intended to "discriminate and oppress" non-Muslims.
Of course, this raises the question: if Jews fared better under Muslim rule than under Christianity, why would they leave their alleged homeland and go to Europe, only to want to go back a thousand years later?
I hope I'm communicating well where I'm coming from, which is not that you're wrong (or right) but rather how unproductive this particular species of reasoning is in modern geopolitical discussions.
Hmmm, I wonder where the word «crusade» comes from though
Of course, Iran does to, but let's not pretend everything would be peaceful without Islam
Hell, Pakistan got more than $19 billion in U.S. aid from 2002–2010, plus a $7.5 billion non-military package over five years, and Afghanistan got more than $109 billion total through USAID.
Egypt gets about $2 billion a year on average since 1979, mostly military aid.
As for equal rights, it is to laugh. Israel is an apartheid state. Ask any expert in the subject.
Let’s talk about the racist death-penalty-for-Palestinians law that just passed to Ben Gvir drinking champagne and to celebratory prayers in the Knesset. Or what about the fact that gay people cannot legally marry? Or that protesting the genocide gets you brutally arrested. Not to mention the ghetto that Israel has turned Gaza into. (shame on the Zionists!) What about no right of return to the people who lived on the land that Israel stole and continues to steal? (let me guess: all in self defense!) It goes on and on.
Israel is indefensible. It should be dismantled.
"The penalty imposed by the Palestinian authority for selling their property to a Jew is the death sentence. Conversely, the Palestinians or Jews or Christians inside Israel don’t face any such restrictions."
Go easy on the Kool-Aid.
It's the opposite; those things are not talked about because they are universally acknowledged by anyone except the groups themselves as bad.
The problem with Israel is that you have a huge number of people who are not even Israeli gleefully supporting a genocide, either overtly or by doing everything in their power to silence anyone calling it out. This is a stark contrast: the only people actively supporting the oppression of minorities in Syria or Saudi Arabia are those carrying it out. There are no large groups of powerful people solely comprised of Americans in the US or Germans in Germany who do their best to silence criticism of Saudi Arabia. I'm sure you'll be able to find a few PR firms that Saudi paid, or a few people with business interests there who did such things, but it's completely incomparable to the Zionist lobby and the active carrying out of its interests.
We do the same for Israel. They claim Judiasm but we know they do not represent it. The same for all so-called Islamic countries.
This blame falls squarely on Israelis and Jewish people as a whole for conflating Zionism, Israel and Jewishness as a single thing, and branding anyone who dared to be critical of Zionism as antisemitic. Now they try to distance themselves and rightly so, but it is their fault that the victim agenda backfired terribly.
I have expressed my solidarity to non-Zionist Jewish people in a previous comment, but still all I hear is victimization at how the world at large treats them rather than real anger and disgust at what the State of Israel is doing in their name. Where are the angry non-Zionist protests? Where are the people renouncing their dual citizenships? The reaction is still very subdued for a genocide in massive scale, and at times it is hard for us gentiles to feel sorry for their apathy.
Zionists have showed what they are about through their actions ever since establishing their ethnosupremacist state. And they showed that genocide is not a red line to them over the past 2 and a half years. What they say they are about on paper is no longer relevant.
So, when Zionists used the same language [1] it's for peace but if goyim do then it's a threat, and a genocidal one, no less?
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#Hist...
Thank God this is changing, but it’s going much too slowly.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens...
An example of this. Politicians are still politicians, and what a politician DOES is far more important than what one says.
https://www.aza-pac.com/our-candidates
That being said, Zionism has become political poison. Even with massive funding, pro-Israel and Zionist candidates are losing left and right.
https://www.ft.com/content/1e41e6db-792f-4f60-b567-adb6458fb...
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-still-sharing-intellig...
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-rewards-saudi-ara...
Bibi's reasons are not the same of the ultra ortodox, neither the same of the ultra zionists, neither the same of regular joes.
(Bibi wants to avoid going to trial, the orthodox believe god promised them "all of israel" (which includes some Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), the zionists are your run of the mill nazis (racists), while most of the people want "peace" whatever the price.
Russia feels aggrieved that in recent years Ukraine has been trying to become part of NATO, a move that would further diminish Russia's ability to project power in the region.
NATO has already expanded into former Warsaw pact countries, and even former Soviet Republics. Russia feels they need to do something about Ukraine before Ukraine becomes one of them.
Western leaders have already broken the promise made during the cold war that NATO would not expand "one inch eastward" beyond a reunified Germany.
Please, this is not a defense by me of Russia's attack of Ukraine. I'm just describing Russia's side of the "argument" as I understand it.
Once again, correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't understand Israel's side of the argument, if you could explain to me.
NATO is for countries that want to stay as they are without having to be as scared that Russia decides they would be their next target for expansion. If those countries in the east didn't join NATO, Russia would use another excuse to at first opportunity invade and occupy those countries.
All of these countries but one have launched invasions within the past ten years. What's the obsession with China?
All this war crime talk is nonsense. Either talk about sending your own children to war against Israel, or criticize them in other real terms. There are no war crimes against countries who don't recognize the ICJ, and even then, unless the judiciary of the country is consenting, a war crime charge isn't pursued.
It isn't a competition, but I hope you're neither an American nor a Russian, because if you are, clean your own house first before talking about how dirty someone else's is.
Assad in Syria used this tactic to target the White Helmet rescuers who would attend the scene after air attacks.
Now Israel is using the same tactic against innocent Lebanese medics.
'The middle east is unstable because colonizers created arbitrary boarders forcing ethnic groups together into unsustainable nation structures with unsustainable ethnic tensions inside the boarders'
'Israel MUST return to pre 1967 boarders and must live with ethnicities that as a common political platform call for the death of all jews. Israel cannot consider stability/unsustainable ethnic tension when forming its borders but must use arbitrary boarders and assume ethnic tension will magically disappear in their situation ignoring the reality of hwo that has worked for neighboring countries. Also Israel is racist/ethnosupremecist for recognizing the realities of borders/ethnicities that we ourselves recognize in our previous statements about the borders created in the middle east by European colonizers'
Imagine the opposite: an Arab group was planted to occupy part of Europe, occasionally gets into wars with its neighbours, and builds one of the largest weapons arsenals in the world, including nukes. How would Europeans feel about that?
"A double tap, or double-tap, is the practice of following a strike [...] with a deliberately timed second strike in the same place several minutes later, usually in an attempt to maximize the casualties of an attack."
"Double-tap strikes have been used by Saudi Arabia during its military intervention in Yemen, by the United States in Pakistan, Yemen, and the Gulf of Mexico, by Israel in the 2014 Gaza War, the Gaza war (2023-present), and the 2026 Lebanon war. by Russia and the Ba'athist Syria in the Syrian civil war, and by Russia in the Russo-Ukrainian War, especially since the full-scale invasion in 2022."
> "The video follows them for about an hour as they tried to flip the boat back over. They couldn't do it," one source said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-final-con...