Comment by SV_BubbleTime | Hacker News Reader

Comment by SV_BubbleTime | Hacker News Reader

So I can skip ahead here…

1. This has always been possible but the bar has been lowered to barely above typing “her, but nude!”. Opposed to a talented photoshop or pencil artist doing this previously. Is the issue scale?

2. Lots of things have been illegal and immoral without tools. Assault for example. We don’t really have to deal with those things on a large basis. The difference here is effectively thought crime until distribution takes place and then it’s just another form of assault right? We already have laws on bullying and assault, no?

Like I said… skipping ahead, let me guess, For The Children; we must block local models, AI except for The NYSE Chosen Ones, encryption, and must have digital ID to use everything. Tell me this article is in favor of anything else.

As soon as you figure out that everything you read at large outlets, esp those owned by Condé Nast is directly written to affect a stock price somewhere it becomes a little exhausting.

> Tell me this article is in favor of anything else.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the comment section is meant for others to educate you about what the article says, you're supposed to read the article yourself first, then comment.

Everything you've said might be true, but are you actually adding insights to the conversation here, when you admit to not even knowing what the article is trying to say in the first place?

It’s so tiring.

The article has a beyond obvious take even from the headline that “ITS SO BAD, We Must Do Something (tm)”. I read the article first, show where my take is incorrect.

Most of us know what this is, and it’s choke full of the usually moral pleas wrapped up in a nice package of “don’t mind the side effects”.

> show where my take is incorrect

> Like I said… skipping ahead, let me guess, For The Children; we must block local models, AI except for The NYSE Chosen Ones, encryption, and must have digital ID to use everything. Tell me this article is in favor of anything else.

Please quote the parts of the article where they mention banning/blocking local models, saying that any AI except "The Chosen One" is OK, anything about encryption or even anything about Digital IDs?

I think you've jumped to regulation, when culturally many parents may be unprepared / unaware and the discussion needs to start with awareness

Ah. Ok, well, consider me a little cynical that Condé Nast publications do not exist for Public Service Announcements.

> Like I said… skipping ahead, let me guess, For The Children; we must block local models, AI except for The NYSE Chosen Ones, encryption, and must have digital ID to use everything. Tell me this article is in favor of anything else.

No, delisting online nudify apps will take care of 99% of this. There's no reason for them to exist.

While that might be the case for now, as the offender would need access to a PC with a NVIDIA GPU, that will not hold for long.

Once you can run decent image generation models on your phone, what shall we do? Prohibit apps that allow you to run custom models? Add a mandatory safety check?

It seems like a pointless exercise to me - better punish the actual crime rather than try to regulate the tech.

Prohibiting apps from shipping with models that can nudify people seems reasonable. Custom models that can do it will be banned from search results and major sites. Just like child porn, they'll exist online but be quite difficult to find.

There is significant societal value in preventing crimes rather than just punishing them.

The prevention here would require to take down existing models that are already widely distributed and mostly used lawfully.

And even if you outlawed the distribution of uncensored models, we face the next question when you can do the fine tuning directly on the phone and someone makes an accessible app.

Do we then prohibit apps that allow you to fine-tune a model, do we mandate safety scans of the images in the dataset?

Not many existing models will do it or do it well.

> when you can do the fine tuning directly on the phone

Well you'd need millions of on/off nude samples to start with, so I don't think that's likely. And that's assuming we get a billionfold increase in mobile CPU performance or a billionfold decrease in fine tuning compute requirements.

You're reaching for things that, if they happen, are a decade or more out. It's ok to solve today's problems today. Perfect is the enemy of good.

LoRA training for recent Flux 2 Klein or Z Image Turbo models can be done on a consumer GPU in a few hours, often using datasets with fewer than a hundred images.

How much quality that gets you I don't know - perhaps the versions people publish are trained with larger datasets.

I know that one popular anime finetune of SDXL cost $180k in compute on 8xH100 for two months.

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