Comment by jurschreuder | Hacker News Reader

Comment by jurschreuder | Hacker News Reader

I program almost all languages except C# and Rust haha.

So someone looking for the perfect languages while actively using the only two languages I actively avoid is very strange to me.

C# has close to zero community and only really works properly in Windows which is far past its glory days. Except for Microsoft aggressively pushing it as a Java alternative it has no right to exist.

Rust is an overcomplicated subset of C++ that solved memory problems the most recent versions of C++ don't have anymore, and only survives by aggressive marketing, full of grouping things together that don't belong together, like C/C++. And memory safety / use-after-free.

If C and C++ are basically the same because they have access to manual memory allocation then Rust/PHP are also basically the same.

And Rust's borrow checker only solves use-after-free which statistically are 10% of memory related vulnerabilities. Not "memory safety" of which 60-70% is just array out of bounds.

Really the worst two languages that both only survive in aggressive marketing.

> C# [...] only really works properly in Windows

What do you mean with this? Maybe you are thinking of the old ".NET Framework" runtime, which only runs on Windows? Nowadays there is ".NET Core" which runs on macOS and Linux as well.

Even om Windows .NET does not work properly with mySQL and Postgres it only really works properly with Microsoft MySQL-Clone or I don't know the official name.

It works pretty well with Postgres, SQLite and MySQL. You don't know what you are talking about.

You do not write Rust yet will make blanket absurd claims about Rust being overcomplicated or not solving your problems. The additional comparison of Rust to PHP is also ridiculous for so many reasons it might not be worth even discussing, because it just seems bad faith from the start.

You're missing a very fundamental point here, and this is usually something I find with long time C programmers. C is a great, but old language, with decades of overhead on context, tooling, and lib understanding that make getting in to writing C substantially more difficult than say, Rust. We are still humans, and Rust isn't entirely trying to solve C from a fundamental paradigm of handling memory from a technical point of view, but more from a programmer one. Your comment about solving memory bugs is predicated on perfect human usage of C to not write the bug in the first place, which is precisely one of the many problems Rust is looking to solve.

I also program in tons of languages, including Rust, C#, C, C++, PHP and Java, and, no offense, I think you are full of shit.

Haven't had anymore issues programing in C# on Linux than on Windows (if not less).

Rust certainly isn't as complicated as C++, and the complexity over C is well worth it, specially given the better ergonomics. Writing properly safe code on C or C++, however, will basically have you emulate the Rust compiler through tooling or inside your brain, which bears its own complexity.

Don't get me started on the PHP/Rust comparison, what is even the similarity here?

This just reeks of bad faith.

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