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I wonder whether this kind of release of model could become the spark that ignites a new digital "cold war" between us, europe, india and china, in which they will try to outwit their rivals and compromise their critical infrastructure using artificial intelligence.

Also I’d like to believe that this really is such a huge step forward compared to Opus, but lately I’ve found it hard to believe when I look at the statements made by the CEOs of AI companies and their associates, who are fuelling the hype surrounding this topic even further. Of course, it is good that large companies and industries that are crucial to the country are the first to have access to this, but until the launch takes place, I will approach this with a degree of scepticism.

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Connecting so much stuff to the network was always crazy. Ditto computerizing so much, some yes, but as much as we have? Horribly risky.

I doubt we'll see a shift away from "everything's on the network!" because it's so incredibly beneficial to the surveillance state, but one can hope.

Admiral Adama has entered the chat.

I used to play some games with this theme when I was a kid: the Mega Man Battle Network series. The very first stage in the very first game, some dude social engineers his way into your house, hacks your inexplicably internet connected oven and nearly burns your entire family down. By the next game, terrorist netmafias are gassing children, nuking dams and hacking airplanes fully intending to crash them with no survivors.

I love computers so much but sometimes I do think they were a mistake.

> ignites a new digital "cold war"

Already been going on for over a decade - export controls on dual use technology like Xeon processors already began being enforced back in the Obama admin.

> until the launch takes place

It's already launched. Some companies had access to Mythos for months.

> fuelling the hype

This is true. Commercially available models from a year ago are already good enough from an offensive security perspective. Their big issue was noise, but that could be managed.

I was in the industry when key lengths for SSL were different between US domestic and US products for export. That’s one reason so much Open Source cryptography software expertise built up in Europe so quickly.

Much of that muscle was already well built in Western Europe well before the SSL stuff because of KU Leuven, COSIC, and IMEC.

The issue is by the late 2000s to 2010s, most European organizations didn't take advantage of that base despite being US comparable in the 1970s-90s.

This invisible cyberwar is already happening; it's just that the brains powering it is getting smarter.

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