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> Your old laptop packs more CPU power, RAM, and storage than their entry-level offerings - and with us, you'll pay just €7/month for professional hosting

This is basically the same price as the cheapest options on Hetzner: https://snipboard.io/C9epWo.jpg. Sure my old laptop does have more RAM and a bigger SSD, but I bet it's also less reliable than Hetzner's servers, and is likely to suddenly die some day. So is the tradeoff really worth it? It's hard for me to believe that this is a genuine improvement for most things. The only definite winning case I can think of is if I have a process I want to run, but I don't care if it just suddenly stops working. But when would that ever be the case? and to save a couple dollars per month?

Edit: Maybe this is what github is doing :P

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> I bet it's also less reliable than Hetzner's servers, and is likely to suddenly die some day

I’m a happy Hetzner customer but I have had servers that I rented from them die a couple of times.

I rent physical servers from them that have been previously rented to other customers. At some point hard drives fail.

However, I have solid backup setup in place (ZFS send and recv to other physical hosts in different physical locations) with that in mind, so I haven’t lost data with Hetzner. But if I naively did not have any backup then data would have gotten lost a couple of times.

Well, yeah, but that's not really a Hetzner thing. That's just computers in general.

Just monitor them so you can act proactively.

Of course. Just pointing out that even if the hardware might be server grade, doesn’t mean one can assume that the risk of hardware failure is negligibly low. And that one always needs to have offsite backups.

> I rent physical servers from them that have been previously rented to other customers. At some point hard drives fail.

The comparison in this case is to Hetzner's VPS offerings, which are probably less powerful than the average "old laptop" but have a significant advantage in terms of hardware reliability. It's still possible for the host running the VPS to have problems which result in a crash or the VM equivalent of a hard power off but the VM hosts and their underlying storage should be redundant such that the virtual hardware never fails.

That's not to say rebooting from a crash-consistent state will always work, you should always keep backups even with a high-quality VPS host, but the odds of recovering cleanly from a hardware problem are orders of magnitude better than an old laptop. For the sort of hobby project or personal tinker box that would be reasonable to host on a random laptop shoved in a rack you probably wouldn't even notice the downtime until you saw the event notification email your provider sends you.

I've run a 7 figure business from an SSD shoved in a sata2 DVD-ROM slot in a DC because the end customer was being obtuse about upgrading from their "high end, best practice" raid 10 discs.

You use so many big words for nothing. All you need are backups. When it dies you restore. Nobody will care.

Not sure how Hetzner works, but do they have IDRAC type access to their servers and/or remote hands available to fix stuff? Guess you'd be on the hook for that sort of thing here, making the Hetzner price more appealing if they do include that kind of functionality.

For physical machines of course yes.

The linked one is VPS, so all trouble fixing is easier.

> Edit: Maybe this is what github is doing :P

Announcing the new "mobile" tier on azure.

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