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This is potentiallya bit of a downgrade if you are using the Personal or Standard plans for infrastructure:

- Reduction from 100 to 50 tagged devices on Personal (was 100 total devices before)/Standard (was 100 + 10 per user before)

- ~~Limit to 1000minutes/month (16.6 days) for ephemeral devices (simply counted towards the total device limit before), meaning you can't even have a single permanently connected ephemeral device anymore on Personal/Standard~~ This is incorrect, see comment below

- Limit of 3 ACL groups on the Personal plan (previously no limit), but also allows 10 ACL groups on the Standard plan (previously had no access to the feature)

Unfortunately, the pricing for extra devices and ephemeral devices is "contact sales".

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Note that if an "Ephemeral Device" exists for more than 4 hours continuously, it consumes 0 minutes, and is billed as a tagged device. The docs are being upgraded to change the language around this.

50 tagged resources is the new limit, but there is no longer any limit on user-owned devices, previously, they were bundled together in that 100 limit.

does the "tagged resource" limit include services?

No, services are separate. Services are currently soft-limited to 10 on all plans.

counts huh. well, I'm at 14 (which were previously just tagged "devices"), I guess at some point I get to find out what the hard limit is :).

Hey there! Tailscalar here, I'm a member of our Product team. We're working on how we evolve the Services pricing model, we know it's not exactly right at the moment. We don't intend to suddenly start enforcing a hard limit on folks who have been early users of the Services feature.

no worries :). I plan on remaining on personal plus anyway until such time as you stop letting me give you money (making this the second plan you'll have kicked me off of :P), but there's not actually any difference between the (now) state of that and the free plan as far as I can tell. (also is the plural of Tailscalar Tailvector?)

>Note that if an "Ephemeral Device" exists for more than 4 hours continuously, it consumes 0 minutes, and is billed as a tagged device. The docs are being upgraded to change the language around this.

Thanks for explaining, that makes the limit very reasonable. I updated my comment

So.. an ephemeral device becomes a regular device after 4 hours? First 4 hours count toward minutely quota and then toward device quota? Is ephemeral a toggle when creating the key itself?

If it exists for more than 4 hours, 0 minutes are consumed - the 240 minutes are "refunded" to the pot.

Ephemeral keys can still be used to manage long-lived devices when you want them automatically cleaned up if they disappear - they'll just count as tagged nodes when they hit that 241 minute age.

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