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I mean realistically what peaceful propsals are there. Every neighbour country is threating what else they can do.

As a first step they could give back some of their illegal settlements. Then over time give back more, until they are back in UN recognized borders. That would be a start. They could also start to persecute violent mobs that chased people out of their own homes and the people in the military covering them. They could also release unjustifiably imprisoned people.

You know, things that basic human decency would demand of them.

The best plan is one democratic state from the river to the sea for all peoples governed by the Israel government.

> Every neighbour country is threating what else they can do.

See above. When Israel finally stops trying to be a Jewish supremacist state things can finally start getting better.

Has it ever entered your mind that maybe it is actually Israel that is threatening every other country?

Israel remembers the Six-Day War...

Does that give a perpetual licence to kill, or do we try something productive at some point?

The only productive solution is to get rid of all religious ideology out there (both sides).

Good luck.

The 'both sides' thing when one side is occupying the other is pathetic. There's only one side that needs to stop the occupation immediately, the Israeli one. We can go from there.

Yeah remember when they left Gaza in 2005. What happened then?

They levelled it, tens of thousands killed.

'left' as in imposed a blockade on it, you mean?

This is preposterous revisionism - Israel didn't just leave Gaza alone, they turned it into an open air concentration camp, controlling everything going in and out. And they were utter bastards about it too, literally counting calories going into Gaza, and classing just about anything as "dual use" so not allowed (e.g. tent poles could be used to hit someone).

Israel has never stopped being the aggressor. Maybe if they stopped occupying, stealing, raping, murdering and massacring, the entire region might be more peaceful. Not likely for a genocidal, apartheid state filled with religious supremacist fanatics though.

Everyone remembers The Nakba. Or the Suez Crisis

And?

Nakba - Entirely the result of Ottoman foreign policy, WW1, WW2, League of Nations being a total fuck up.

Suez Crisis - Egypt being dicks

Six Day War - attacked from all sides.

Bit of a contrast, no?

Translation: Israel is always the victim, even if the whole world outside it sees it as the aggressor.

I guess illegal settlement in the West Bank is the result of a Nintendo console not being launched the same day in Israel as in Japan? Or any other made up thing that shifts the blame from Israel to a 3rd party?

The war started by Israel, ostensibly as a retaliation for a dispute about a bit of water, which Israel used as a pretext to invade the West Bank? What about it?

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