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Kiwi Farms challenges DMCA subpoenas as tools to unmask anonymous speech

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There was a comment in this thread criticizing Kiwi Farms, but it was quickly removed. I'm not here to repeat their eloquent criticism, only add my own thoughts.

> anonymous speech

Kiwi Farms users are not anonymous. They are, at best, pseudonymous. There is comment history associated with their online identities. Some use their real names, although the extent this can be verified is questionable and undoubtedly some are impersonators.

Overall, I don't buy the slippery slope arguments of RTN and EFF here.

> There was a comment in this thread criticizing Kiwi Farms, but it was quickly removed.

It always surprises me that Hacker News of all places tends to defend Kiwi Farms.

The place basically exists for the purposes of doxxing and organizing targeted harassment. Supposedly they have rules against it, but they're enforced with the same energy as Willy Wonka telling people not to do things (https://youtu.be/uVdDXeYM4ss).

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

"The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race."

Defending doxxing and organized targeted harassment as a mere difference of opinion is a beyond insane take.

Not just defending doxxing: saying doxxers deserve protection from being doxxed.

Why wouldn't we? Kiwi Farms is the only place on the internet left with any hacker spirit.

The guy running KF had to speedrun the entire domain of cybersecurity just to run a shitty PHP forum that lets people say things like "men are not women" without getting doxxed and targeted for harassment by histrionics with a vested interest in validating their own cult beliefs to the contrary. You people have even gone after his mother. You insist you're the good guys. Lol.

He's no different than The Pirate Bay or Silk Road--one man against a global force of psychopaths with state backing, that refuses to back down in spite of their threats. This is what the hacker spirit is about. The man is a legend.

You can point to Kiwi Farms and accuse it of anything you want to. They make it easy by having a domain name, transparency, and infrastructure to target. It's much harder to do the same to the clandestine network of Discord channels your own tribe uses to orchestrate the very attacks you accuse KF of, and you know it, which is why you engage in these sorts of smear campaigns against them.

The Talmud (Kiddushin 70b) teaches us that one who stigmatizes another is guilty of the same.

In the west, we understand this to mean "every accusation is a confession."

how ironic that a site called "reclaim the net" cowers behind The Great Clownflare Firewall, which blocks any alternative browsers (like palemoon) and anyone using a proxy. so i can't even read what they have to say.

If you’re not familiar, kiwi farms is a forum for some of the worst people alive. Doxxing, swatting, and harassing people to the point of suicide - that kind of stuff.

Which is not to say they are right or wrong in the issue of copyright being used to unmask anonymity. But generally speaking: fuck these people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

This may be true but unfortunately taints any conversation about their rights, which should be equal across all humans, even the terrible ones.

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