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The US really pulled a Russia with this "special military operation".

both wars are equally unjustified, but the US has lost what, <20 people by now, in over a month? Putin loses >20 people per hour of his war.

Trump has avoided a ground invasion up to this point for this exact reason, even trying to take one of outerlying islands would have heavy casualties due to drone warfare. There's speculation that the mess over the weekend was the result of a SOF mission gone wrong.

Russia is actually gaining people in this war. The occupied territory they intend to keep has a prewar population of 10M.

That would be true if they were keeping the native population there alive. We know they were importing presumably loyal people from deep Russia. What happened to original occupants? You can guess.

The mass graves they are making in occupied territories say otherwise.

I'd say "I agree, the US should lose more people" but I wouldn't wish casualties on anyone.

Still, the fact that the US can kill people without any cost because they send drones to do it doesn't sit well with me at all.

In fairness, Iran has also been conducting its campaign with missiles and the Shahed drones. The Iran-Israel war has killed a lot of people who are neither Iranian nor Israeli but happen to live in Palestine or Lebanon.

Yeah I don't really like having to defend Iran, so I don't know what to tell you. Nobody in this is right.

The world os wrong because its sliding back into the rule of the strong from the before times.

> the US has lost what, <20 people by now, in over a month? Putin loses >20 people per hour of his war

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Russia's economy and military have been flogged by their war in a way America's has not. Moreover, we have midterms this year and a Presidential election in 2. Moscow has no similar 'fuck it' exit option.

The American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries. The longer this war continues the worse it will get. Nonetheless, the American people themselves are mostly safe at home, the precedent for Iran launching any sort of attacks against the American homeland is basically nonexistent. Even sending terror cells, you'd think Iran would be on this for how often their western critics accuse them of funding terrorism, but in America? Crickets. This war is bullshit.

> American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries

No, we're not. It's bad. But it's nothing compared to Russia.

Not as bad as Russia... damning with faint praise, aren't we?

> damning with faint praise, aren't we?

No. I'm calling out bullshit. If someone says Bob is a terrorist, and I say no, Bob is not a terrorist, I'm not damning Bob "with faint praise" by calling out a nonsense comparison.

There is plenty bad America is doing and threatening in this war. We don't need word games to discuss them adultly.

And you know about Russia how exactly? Ever been there?

Downvotes from ziofascists are always a great reward. Let's go for some more, do tell me, where have been the Iranian terror cells in America? We know the US funded terror cells in Iran, the president bragged amount arming groups in Iran to overthrow the government. When has Iran done this to America?

It hasn't happened. The narrative of Iran being a funder of terrorism is essentially bullshit, particularly in relation to America, and no less in relation to Israel (a state founded on acts of terrorism against the British and Palestinians.)

You're trying to educate the wilfully ignorant. I do it too, in the dim hope that maybe, just maybe, one hypocrite will actually look up the reality and get educated.

It's a fools errand, especially on Hypocrisy News, a politer version of Reddit.

Maybe you should shop hanging around here then. I'm unsure of exactly why you haven't been banned yet with your comment history.

No.

Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two.

The two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself.

> Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two

Russia's military power has been vastly diminished by its war. If America committed to a ground invasion and then stuck with it through the next President, yes, we'd probably see similar degradation of American martial ability over years.

> two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself

Agree. But it does point to the extent to which one system will go to reduce loss of life.

Ukraine didn't sponsor terrorist organizations around the world.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/india/nia-arrests-us-citizen-matthe...

Also: Azov battalion.

> Azov battalion

Was a direct result of russian invasion in 2014. Also not a government sponsored terrorist organization.

Inspired by Stepan Bandera's memory. He was a prominent collaborator during ww-2.

Explain when war is justified? Anyone supposed to protect Iranian civilians or it is just no one care about them?

America is blowing up Iranian civilians and America's president is threatening a genocide.

How lucky the US is, wherever they go to spread freedom, they find oil.

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