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I just wish somebody would teach the damn cyclists to stop at red lights. As of now, they seem absolutely incapable of doing this, and charge ahead at full speed regardless. It's a miracle there's not more injuries.

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When you wait for green you start at the same time as cars. Cars seem incapable of staying behind a cyclist and feel the need to overtake them at all costs. It feel much safer as a cyclist to start at red light when there is noone, you then have a head start with cars

This is an infrastructure engineering problem, not a moral one.

The Netherlands solves this with Dutch Roundabouts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhqTc_wx5EU

Easily my least favourite piece of infrastructure. The one on the video is alright because you have a full car's length between the road and the cycle path, so you are at a full perpendicular with good visibility over the bikes.

In plenty of other places, the space is much smaller, which puts the bike traffic almost directly in your blind spot as you cross.

For example, here: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.3911559,4.6253401,3a,75y,110...

It's really hard to anticipate as you may not have full unobstructed visibility as you drive around, especially since cyclists can come quite fast.

https://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/05/the-best-round...

Yes, the full car length is a key design feature. It wouldn't work without it and I understand why you would dislike ones without that.

In many locations it is legal for cyclists to treat red lights like a 2 way stop sign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop

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