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Come on, you think SwiftUI has more bugs than the ten different Microsoft frameworks?

There are just more people encountering them because the developers are concentrated on using one thing.

It’s not perfect, but a compared to Microsoft, calling Apple out for having bugs is a little rich isn't it?

I pose to you, if the Microsoft offerings are so compelling, why are the serious players using 3rd party wrappers like QT and Avalonia?

It’s because the first party offerings are not compelling. They’re a disaster dumpster fire. And buggy.

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If Apple products are so compelling why are so many devs using Electron, React Native and Flutter on macOS, to the point it deserved being mentioned at WWDC 2025 State of the Nation Keynote?

My point was don't throw stones when having a big glass roof as well.

Apple isn't the perfection you make out to be, also has a rich history of failures, and only did not went bankrupt due to sheer luck of doing the right decision when there were not many remaining to take.

That's a different issue. Things like Electron are popular not because native development is buggy, but because most developers these days are web developers. They know Javascript. They've never written anything in C/C++ or even the slightly friendlier Swift, Rust, or Go. Electron lets people who only know the Web make desktop apps.

Nope, it is the same issue now being worded around to sell the Apple is shiny story above.

> Apple is shiny story

Is a fantasy you invented to argue against.

Microsoft’s 1st party offerings are an embarrassment.

Apples first party offering isnt amazing either; it’s just “ok”; but its not a total embarrassment.

Nobody in this thread is claiming Apple is perfect, just ahead of MS in UI consistency and _less_ buggy

"Ahead" with yes but attitude.

None of the UI frameworks is perfect. Neither the ones from Microsoft, nor the ones from Apple, nor Qt, nor GTK (lol...), nor the web-based ones.

I'm just saying that in my personal opinion and experience, the ones from Apple have the best yay-to-wtf ratio. Your mileage may vary.

> If Apple products are so compelling why are so many devs using Electron, React Native and Flutter on macOS

That is not how the decision making for cross-platform works. You choose those alternatives knowing that they are crap in many respects, yet accept the trade offs because you want to save money on dev hours.

The whole point was the greatness of Apple platform.

That’s not the point being argued either, nor it being perfect. It’s just about Apple’s UI frameworks being more coherent and consistent across all their own platforms, unlike Microsoft. Even Android developers who’ve done a bit of work on iOS easily agree that Apple’s SDKs are far better designed and behave more predictably than Google’s.

They use React Native and Flutter because they want to target more than just MacOS/iOS

Meaning they don't worship Apple UIs as the ultimate design?

It's about the tradeoff.

Option 1: spend double the effort, embrace Apple's UI

Option 2: do it once, ship faster, make more money.

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