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Comment by AstroBen | Hacker News Reader

Things must be bad if they're doing this before their IPO

Billions of USD in debt, a business model bleeding cash with no profit in perspective, high-competition environnement, a sub-par product, free-to-use offline models taking off, potential regulatory issues, some investor commitments pulling out... tricky.

But let's not cry for the founders, they managed to get away with tons of money. The problem is for the fools holding the bag.

Unfortunately the fools holding the bag are going to be those who own index funds when these companies are inserted into them.

How is it a subpar product? I've been very happy with GPT 5.4 and the Codex CLI tooling, as well as ChatGPT web. I'd say product is one of their strengths.

Will you be as happy when your $1000/mo of inference you’ve been getting for $30/mo is gonna cost $1000/mo?

I don't use anywhere near $1000/mo of inference. But yes, the question of what to do when prices go up a lot does concern me. However, with respect to product alone, Codex is still very good.

It's heavily subsidized.

I pay for it, but I don't think it's worth much more than the 20 bucks a month I have been paying.

Once they start charging something that makes sense, I doubt it will be as good.

Yeah you guys have to pay attention to the state of the overall economy. We are in the credit-crunch phase of a recession. The funny money has ran out and infinite loans are no longer available. These companies have to find way to pay their debt now

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