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I hope the aviators are OK, and also hope whoever they were bombing are also OK.

I do wonder if Iran finds them first, will they treat them better than the US treated survivors of the ship sunk by a US torpedo in the Indiana Ocean?

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I find it hard to have any sympathy for the American pilots that are dropping bombs on schoolgirls.

I don't believe the U.S military was involved with that school massacre. Reports have it that it was some Israeli missile. The U.S would sell weapons knowing full well it could happen but would never (knowingly) do such a thing.

All that said, not sure there should be any sympathy for soldiers bombing any country on the pretext of some "preventive" war.

It was extremely likely a tomahawk missile which Israel do not use. It was almost certainly the US. There are many many journalists who have written about it

Do you support the general rhetorical tactic of taking a single example and expanding it to the entirety of a group?

If so, I assume you're also upset about the bad hombres crossing the US southern border. After all, they are killers and rapists, right?

You’re generalising from some criminals to an entire civilian population. The parent generalized from military to military. There’s a slight difference in the two.

Also, remember that it was the US who declared “no quarter”, not the Iranians.

> You’re generalising...

Yep

> The parent generalized

Yep

Yes, please ignore the rest of those clauses.

The crew of the IRIS Dena were warned twice by the US to abandon ship according to a report from one of the sailor’s father. They refused.

Not sure if it’s possible to treat enemies better than that. And I doubt the Iranians will treat a US pilot well. Look at how they treat their own citizens.

Can you cite something to support this. Quite keen to read.

If the source below is correct, the commander of the Dena ordered his troops to stay on the ship despite the warnings, there was a bit of a mutiny and the survivors are those who rejected those orders and jumped off.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603071125

That doesn't seem like the most trustworthy source.

>Established in May 2017 and funded by Saudi Arabia,[1][2][3][4][5][6] it actively promotes former Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi as the next ruler of Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_International

If anything that seems like it would lean American in its bias. Saudi are our allies as is the family of the former Shah.

That was exactly my point. The Saud regime also hate Iran for being Shia.

OK if I come to your car, declare you’re my enemy, and tell you to get out before I toss a Molotov at you, does that mean I can’t be tried for murder later if you refuse?

This was a sneak attack outside of an established war zone, for an illegal war, so don’t try to conflate this as an attack on America’s enemies. The USA made them their enemies themselves.

The ship was an unarmed vessel on its way to a goodwill visit to Sri Lanka and coming from an international maritime exercise hosted by India, which the United States also attended and participated in. The US torpedoed it, and when it sank, the US did not apparently attempt to rescue any of the Dena's crew. Fortunately, Sri Lanka showed up and saved 30 people.

Mind you, the details of war are not always clear. The US says that the ship was armed, and it also says that they did make an effort to rescue the crew. The US does not explain why it failed to actually rescue anybody, of course.

The US is busy shooting “drug boats” with no evidence, that is who they are now

I believe the phrase you're reaching for is "carrying out extra-judicial executions of civilians alleged to have been smuggling drugs."

Or shorter.. NAZIS!

I thought the people claiming they might be fishing boats with no fishing gear, 55gallon drums, in specially designed hulls with 6 engines, hauling ass out of known drug ports were just joking.

Yeah, why check right? Not like we need evidence or any investigation…

I saw some people leaving a known drug house yesterday, but fortunately I gunned down the whole family, no questions asked!

Guess we'll never know, since instead of arresting and prosecuting them under the law, we blew them up.

If you think a warship is ever 'unarmed' I have a bridge to sell you.

ship used for naval exercise uses different software and payload (non-explosive). additionally, that ship also bring navy band performing in host parade days prior.

Sadly no, they also blew up the bridge. 8 dead, 100 injured. Blowing up civilian infrastructure is also a war crime.

Since when is a warship's bridge "civilian infrastructure"?

Not sure how anyone can believe this while, as another commenter points out, the US is proudly and unilaterally murdering speedboat users in the Caribbean without any due process.

America helped Israel kill THOUSANDS of children, and America just killed 150 school girls in Iran. America is a war criminal, plain and simple.

> Not sure if it’s possible to treat enemies better than that.

If you can't imagine how, that says a lot about you.

The US Secretary of Defense is the one declaring that no quarter will be given.

You don’t have to project your own shortcomings to other people.

You left out 'unarmed'.

If you're suggesting that the US submarine should have rescued the survivors - with respect I think you don't understand how submarines work. They have no capability to perform rescue operations. They have no way to handle mass numbers of injuries, there's normally just one corpsman (basically a medic) on board. Even if they want to do a rescue operation they have no place to put them. Subs barely have room for their own crew; typically 2 or even 3 sailors share the same bed.

They should not have sunk the ship in the first place.

Subs in WW2 rescued survivors all the time until the US bombed a rescue operation and ended the gentleman's agreement.

https://www.beachesofnormandy.com/didyouknow/Did_you_know_wh...

There was zero threat to that American submarine, they fired on an unarmed ship that the US Navy had just held ceremonial activities with literally days prior. Absolutely disgusting behaviour but we can't expect anything less from the Americans unfortunately.

Modern subs don't run on the surface routinely like WWII subs did. Practically all they could do would be float some life boats up, but they were probably >10 nm away, so it wouldn't have been in position to deliver them promptly.

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