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Ah, got it, I’m holding it wrong.

> My goal is genially not to have anything running in the menubar that isn't out of the box from the OS.

My goal is to use the apps I want to use, and if they are exclusively menu bar apps, what can I do about that?

> The people with the most stuff up there tend to be the same ones who are always complaining about system slowness

The cause for system slowness on my mac are too many browser tabs eating 500 MB memory each, not a few 10 MB native Swift apps.

Basically the view I had twenty years ago vs the view I have now. After being a UI-extender explorer for some years, I became a system-as-delivered person. I'm now at a healthy (for me) mix. I have a bunch of icons in my menu bar and an app to keep that tidy.

I agree. My menu widgets aren't the primary cause if my computer feels slow. It's almost always a ton of browser tabs because I collect stuff to investigate later and I procrastinate removing them.

However, I also see the point of the commenter that a lot of people who have a bunch of shit in the menu bar might not be computer people who understand what they are or how they got there. In those cases, people exploring things they don't know how to remove might accumulate a lot of other crap that causes a slow system.

I'm not even talking about app icons.

I'm talking about the file manager missing features.

Wifi issues going back years and years.

Default mice settings that make me want to throw the thing out a window. Seriously, who moves their cursor that slow?

The worst window manager I've ever used.

I could go on, but it's genuinely pointless. People love their macs like people love their sports teams. No matter what, some people will always love the maple leafs.

> The users who run into issues with menubar space would probably be well served to question if they really need all that stuff

Look, I don't even want half that stuff, but the reality is that a bunch of tools mandate by my employers, and a bunch of utilities that are needed to make modern MacOS work reliably, all live up there.

A couple of VPNs, DropBox, OrbStack/Docker, eqMac to unfuck volume control on external displays, BetterDisplays and BetterSnapTool to unfuck everything else about external displays... I'm already most of the way to the notch on a 14" macbook

iStat menus (or the new open source "Stats") is a brilliant use of the menu bar, but it can take a lot of space!

Then couple ordinary services that add menu bar icons that you don't even ask for (DropBox, Docker, Adobe, etc.) and you can overflow onto the notch quite quickly.

I use iStat Menus and I recently got one of those menu-bar expander utilities. It’s so good I forgot its name already!

Now I just click on the chevron whenever I need to access Tailscale or Postgres or CloudFlare or Creative Cloud Dropbox or Google Dropbox or ……

Really solved the problem for me.

You'll have to get back to us with that name!

okay, i questioned whether i need all that stuff and i've landed on still wanting the same set of capabilities i currently have at the cost of what used to be a reasonable number of menu bar icons.

so now what

Tame the clutter, by using another menubar app to hide the overflow.

Examples:

https://github.com/dwarvesf/hidden

https://www.macbartender.com/