it's probably time to call those old retired programmers to ask them how to reduce software memory footprint
or to teach that again
or to teach that again
If you go look, you often discover that 90% of the requests are useless, or at least could be combined. That 60% of bandwidth is used up by 3 high res images which get displayed at 30x30 pixels. That CPU performance is dominated by some rubbish code that populates an array of a million items every call, then looks up 1 element then throws the whole thing away, only to regenerate the exact same list again a few microseconds later.
We have plenty of RAM. In absolute terms, 8gb of ram in the macbook neo is 8 billion bytes. 64 billion ones and zeros. You don't need rocket science to make a CRUD app that runs well with that much ram.
Computers don't get slower over time. If we were merely as lazy with computing resources as programmers 10 years ago, most programs would scream on modern hardware.
I am a web developer of over 20 years. I can create insanely optimised pages using nothing other than vanilla CSS and JS.
I have been paid exactly once to do this. There is a site I built in 2023 that has a JS and CSS footprint of less than 100KB after GZip (large site). We even had the Go templates compiled when the web app initialised so the server responded as fast as possible.
Guess what happened when it went live? The content team use 8mb images for everything and every single optimisation I did at CSS/JS was totally useless.
Devs don't care because the people above them don't care and therefore there is zero incentive to even bother.
I hear you, and this is a real problem. But it's kind of depressing to need incentives to care about the quality of your work.
You get beaten down eventually. Late last year. I spent like an hour going through why a PR (and this developer's work) in general wasn't acceptable to my superior. He said to me that he was perfectly fine with someone not understanding basic language features (after 6 months using the langauge). He then merged it.
It didn't work (as I had warned) and created a situation where I had to turn off tests in some projects as it totally broke them. I've spent months fixing his crap and still haven't recovered from one bad PR. Now add two other employees that are like this and my manager does nothing about it. I bought a AI package from Jetbrains and now have it do almost all the work. I normally spend some time cleaning it up. Management have made it clear to me that they don't care about quality, they won't hold anyone accountable and won't even fire people that clearly cannot program.
I am 43 years old this year. I just can't be bothered trying to be a hero anymore.
Similarly, my father who retired last week was a joiner/carpenter and would be considered a master boat builder. When my sister was little my dad made her new bed with hearts and flowers carved in the headboard.
He described how adversarial he was too his employer before he retired. He was engaging in Malicious compliance (he is a layman and didn't know it was called that) because management was making his life miserable by employing the same sort of the stand-up meeting ceremony nonsense in carpentry.
They managed to make someone with that level of skill hate their job because of process.
Some companies. A lot of companies, maybe. But far from all of them.
I've done a lot of consulting work, which means I've done short stints at a lot of different places over the years. Some were absolute stinkers - like you describe. But I've also worked with some wonderful people and on some great, high performance teams. I understand that its not so easy when you're 43 (and maybe, with kids). But you don't need to stay in a job like this. Its not worth getting ground down like this. Its bad for your health. And its horrible for your career in the long run.
Move to a smaller company. Or sniff around and find a better team within your existing org. In the words of my favorite poet: The world is made to be free in. Give up all the other worlds except the one to which you belong.
I honestly think it is most of them.
> Some were absolute stinkers - like you describe. But I've also worked with some wonderful people and on some great, high performance teams.
I've totally given up on it. People don't value your work. I did a piece for a particular company. It worked perfectly. It was thrown away after a year and half because management decided everything should be rewritten in <new framework> ignoring the fact that what I had written was well documented and worked absolutely fine.
Now I shouldn't really care right? I was paid and all. But it pissed me off. What the point in doing a good job if people just throw your work in the bin?
I am looking at what my options are going forward. I am honestly considering being a car mechanic (I fix my own vehicles) or work outside for the canal trust. Realistically I suspect I might pivot to QA or doing something security related.
> I understand that its not so easy when you're 43 (and maybe, with kids). But you don't need to stay in a job like this. Its not worth getting ground down like this. Its bad for your health. And its horrible for your career in the long run.
I've been looking for over 2 years. I want to move to be closer to my family which are 300 miles away (the other side of the UK). So remote is a must. A large number of positions are hybrid, so not an option.
Outside of that many of the position in the UK are working Defence, Intelligence or Law Enforcement. All of those I have ethical reasons why I won't work for them. Outside of that there is Gambling, Pay day loans, and spooky stuff like tracking people via facial recognition.
> In the words of my favorite poet: The world is made to be free in. Give up all the other worlds except the one to which you belong.
I find this condescending.
I would not advise. If you're feeling what you are feeling now, the entire job in QA within the software field is to be essentially "controlled opposition". Unless you bust into Food Safety, Aeronautics, manufacturing, or medical devices/boomed, you will not be anything but someone the CTO is gonna go "fuck it, override" anyway. Over 14+ years experience.
The problem is management. The only solution is to make them responsible for cleaning up the consequences of their own actions, and not allowing them to delegate the task It is the only way. We have made it far to easy for assholes not responsible for doing the work to get positions managing it. We have to fix that if we're ever going to get back on the right track.
>Outside of that many of the position in the UK are working Defence, Intelligence or Law Enforcement. All of those I have ethical reasons why I won't work for them. Outside of that there is Gambling, Pay day loans, and spooky stuff like tracking people via facial recognition.
Ah, someone else feeling the sting of actually having Ethics. I feel your pain. I truly do. Our societies are dying because we forgot capitalism wasn't it's own end, but was supposed to be a means to manage solving societal ills. Once you go finance for finance sake, you end up creating more ills than you solve just because there is profit to be made.
All I can say is keep pushing. The system is on the verge of breakdown, and if the only way to get people paying attention to it is to let it happen... Then that's just what we're going to have to do I guess.
the engineering and leadership failure was at requirements time. why on earth would somebody pay for all that optimization without knowing about whats gonna be on the page first?
1. Check that you really need a SaaS SPA to solve the communication issues between your team members.
2. HTML and css should be enough for 99% of corporate websites.
3. Resize the images on your websites, they're too big.
4. Use teams in the browser, not as stand-alone app.
Most programmers are JS web devs writing client side code or server side CRUD.
I would guess < 10% of programmers writing code today get perf / valgrind out on the regular. I know I dont.
The old graybeards who know how to optimize efficiency may not work for them anymore, though.
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>My point, which I should have been clearer with, is that we aren't at a state where you can just one shot a rewrite of a complex application into another language and expect some sort of free savings. Once we are at that state, and it's good enough to pull it off, why wouldn't the AI be able to pull it off in C as well?
let foo = [1, 2, 3];
unsafe {
*foo.get_unchecked_mut(4) = 5;
}
> impossible to express in Rust
I’m not going to argue with Rust folks who misrepresent the language.
A lot of people are very excited by the idea that now language capabilities (and almost every other technical nuance) somehow don't matter but much like gravity they will continue to assert themselves whether you believe in them or not.
So far humans have proven unable to write large apps in C without those issues, given their work is the training basis for LLMs this creates two problems, one being that they don't 'know' what a safe app looks like either and any humans reviewing the outputted code will be unable to validate that either.
Now that the work is delegated to an LLM, the test and documentation quality ultimately decides the quality of the product.
Since you as the programmer no longer have to deal with the language's annoyances directly and force the LLM to perform the drudgery for you, you can build a language that makes a trade off between drudgery and quality and receive a software quality upgrade essentially for free.
LLMs are really good at producing tokens faster than developers, so make those tokens count.
Nobody who works with LLM generated code believes that LLMs produce fault-free code.
Its languages like C that you have to watch out for, because the LLM will gladly say "this is safe!" when its not.
In like 4 hours. (and most of that was me copy pasting things around to feed it reasonable chunks of information, feature by feature)
It also wrote a real-time passive DTLS-SRTP decryptor in C in like 1 hour total based on just the DTLS-SRTP RFC and a sample code of how I write suckless things in C.
I mean people can believe whatever they want. But I believe LLMs can write a reasonably fine C.
I believe that coding LLMs are particularly nice for people who are into C and suckless.
"if"
If it could you wouldn't need to use Rust. It can't, qed.
Rust gives you a lot of pain (= useful signals), before damage occurs.
Now imagine you build a reinforcement learning harness around Rust and C. Which is better for reinforcement learning? Impossible to detect failures in the final product or loud and annoying compiler errors that force you to address them?
I would not describe median quality C code as free from these issues