Given that it's a Russian company, serious question: does anyone care about violating their license?
If so, why?
If so, why?
edit: did not expect people to be in favor of blatantly ignoring licenses. huh.
anyone want to tell me how we determine who the bad people are that we can ignore their licenses, and who the good people are where we will honor them? what is the criteria?
different in severity, but same logic.
> the entire fabric deteriorates quickly afterwards.
It just disproves this entirely. China has been at it for decades, which entire fabric has detoriated? Have licenses been meaningless for decades because of the existence of China?
the moral fabric of not stealing software and ignoring licenses.
>Have licenses been meaningless for decades because of the existence of China?
uh, in china? apparently yes!
if that is how you want the rest of the world to operate too, that is your opinion. i think it will suck, but whatever.
selectively applied law is fun when the laws are selectively applied against people you dont like. just gotta make sure you never get put in the wrong pile.
This is a very mainstream concept so I'm not sure why you're so worked up about it.
i am not worked up, but that is a good attempt at undermining my point by coming at me personally instead of my words.
I'm not in favor of ignoring licenses, but practically speaking, they require legal nexus to function.
It's not like Russia currently respects the Rule of Law.
but... we do?
the argument is apparently that we also should ignore the rule of law. i dont think that would be a great idea for society, but i am just some dude.
my thinking is that once you start selectively applying rule of law to "good guys" and "bad guys" (or whatever criteria you pick), you have lost something really important. fingers crossed no one ever alters the criteria such that you fall on the "wrong" side!
This is how the world already works. We do not inhabit an egalitarian utopia. There quite literally are bad guys.
When you treat everyone like good guys, you end up with Donald Trump as the president instead of in jail.
so, sure, fuck licenses. if someone pisses you off, just say they were born in the wrong country and steal their shit. thankfully i am retiring soon, so i probably wont see the winners of this race to the bottom.
There are so many laws around the world that apply to "websites", that currently, you can't operate any sort of online presence anymore without at least implicitly picking and choosing which laws on the planet that you're going to follow. Nobody hires hundreds of lawyers in every country of the world to comply with every website law on the planet, and if you did, I bet you'd find you probably can't practically operate one.
For example, the forum that we're on right now, doesn't comply with this law (although I believe HN blocks China anyway): https://www.cac.gov.cn/2022-06/17/c_1657089000974111.htm
In reality, people hire a lawyer in the jurisdictions where they have legal exposure and follow those laws.
This isn't to say that you should ignore software licenses, but rather sometimes, they're toothless instruments.
>This isn't to say that you should ignore software licenses, [...]
the main/only reason that i started this comment chain, and continued it, is that the other commenters are saying you should (if they are from the "wrong" country, anyways).
> am too old to expend energy trying to convince people that the rule of law loses all meaning if it is selectively applied.
Again, for what feels like the third or fourth time, this is already happening all over the globe.
It's an open secret, for example, that the AI companies trained their models on pirated textbooks. It's not even an open secret, just the bare-faced truth, that the AI companies trained and continue to train on source-available software without regards for license. It's common knowledge that Russian and Chinese companies (among others) benefit from state-sponsored corporate espionage and sanctioned software piracy. The Rule of Law is dead in many countries, including the United States.
There's literally nothing to be gained by not following suit. You can't pay your rent with ethics.
this is weird logic. scams happen every minute of every day all over the globe, i do not advocate for more people to scam.
>It's an open secret, for example, that the AI companies trained their models on pirated textbooks.
yeah, and that was wrong.
>You can't pay your rent with ethics.
this is a sad sentence.
I don't disagree, but I'm talking about the real world that we inhabit, not the fictional idealized world we wistfully discuss in classrooms.
The world is a shitty place full of shitty people. Being an idealist is just asking to be taken advantage of.
you can live in the real world without stealing software from people and justifying it because they were born in the "wrong" country.
i have done it my entire life.
"two wrongs dont make a right" is a pretty simple rule to live by, even in the real world. perhaps unsurprisingly, it is also good for ones mental health.