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The problem with Windows and MacOS is that they are hostile to the user, and that's because they serve a "product" manager who is trying to maximize business value for a massive corporation, not serve you a good OS.

We don't need three garbage corporate operating systems mismanaged by MBAs, we already have two!

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Windows is arguably philosophically user-hostile.

Anyone who's ever tried to get support online with a question about Linux will quickly meet *actual* user hostility as they're asked why they didn't know to check for the config file in the filing cabinet in the basement behind a locked door saying beware of leopard, how dumb they are, etc.

Not my experience at least. You can go to the forum of archlinux and see the replies. They tend to be quite useful and in a good tone.

Within the last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47463982

"But, a Raspberry Pi isn't supposed to be a replacement for your desktop; it is meant as a device for experimentation."

"why couldn't you read the self-contradicting docs and pick the right option?" (paraphrased)

"just because you don't know how to follow the instructions, doesn't make the OS bad."

" By now, you should see that years of experience != knowing how to use things."

"Yeah. Maybe just stop using Linux. You'll never be happy with it anyway. Most its-never-my-fault people aren't."

This has been my experience with the Linux community for 26 years.

Half those aren't even remotely harsh. Saying the raspberry pi wasn't designed to be mained is totally reasonable, what possible objection do you have to somebody saying that?

That my complaints trying to install software have absolutely nothing to do with it being a Raspberry Pi and the experience is identical on any Linux machine.

> Half those aren't even remotely harsh.

....and the fact that people consider this to be the case is more evidence of the Linux community's hostility.

Linux is like Rick and Morty: I don't mind it, but I never want to be associated with its fans.

If you can't take the mildlest of implied criticisms without feeling offended, this isn't a Linux problem, it's a you wandered out of your safe space hugbox problem.

A community that prides itself on insults is not a welcoming or user friendly community. "Get good" and "you're holding it wrong" drive people away.

I understand pointing out that an upgrade failure should be expected when Ubuntu tells you that upgrades won't work, but I don't agree with calling the Pi a "device for experimentation". Not only it's used for serious applications in industrial settings, but some products are sold as... personal computers:

> Raspberry Pi 500

> The refined personal computer.

> A fast, powerful computer built into a high-quality keyboard, for the ultimate compact PC experience.

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500/

Isn't the standard OS for that platform not Ubuntu? From that link: "... Raspberry Pi OS is made to get the most from your Raspberry Pi 500."

Yes. Perhaps the fix for @Arainach would be to stick with the official OS.

> This has been my experience with the Linux community for 26 years.

I read through that post that elicited those comments that you have a problem with. At the end of a long list of complaints, it says: ".....yep, just as user friendly as I remember."

Nowhere does that post request help, and with that last comment, is clearly intended as a disparagement of Linux, not a request for help.

Then, you are turning around, and cherry picking responses to highlight the negative responses to a negative post, and disparaging the Linux community while ignoring the helpful responses.

I have to ask, what's going on here?

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