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Iran rejects US proposal, lays out five conditions for ending war

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I got to say, whatever my opinion of Iran, they’re really leveraging the few advantages they have very well. Between the Shahed drones, the threat to the desalination plants and essentially the complete shut off of oil and natural gas, there is nothing anyone can really do. You can’t defang Iran because those Shaheds are tiny and can be stored and launched from anywhere. You can’t send in an invasive ground force because that will result in tens of thousands of coalition deaths. You can’t bomb their cities because they don’t care about civilian deaths. This might end up actually solidifying the Islamic Republic then if you had just let events run their course.

"The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it." -Paul Atreides

A quote from fiction which should continue " ... at the point of destruction, after which there is nothing to control."

They can’t destroy Iran though. Can’t kill 10s of millions of people.

The destruction is referring to the strait. Iran has the ability to shutdown access to it, so they control it.

We appear to be planning to send a ground force. I suspect that the US has overwhelming force, as it did in Iraq and Afghanistan. But it would also be a bloodbath; Iran is better prepared than either of the two previous opponents are.

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- A complete halt to "aggression and assassinations" by the enemy.

- The establishment of concrete mechanisms to ensure that the war is not reimposed on the Islamic Republic.

- Guaranteed and clearly defined payment of war damages and reparations.

- The end of the war across all fronts and for all resistance groups involved throughout the region

- Iran's exercise of sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz is and will remain Iran's natural and legal right, and it constitutes a guarantee for the implementation of the other party's commitments, and must be recognized.

[1] - https://archive.is/v7F7d

I cannot imagine what kind of concrete mechanisms will ensure this doesn't happen again. Perhaps guarantees by the rest of NATO to attack the US or Israel if they do?

For start, an immediate stop to anti Iran propaganda, and publicly recognising the right of 90 million people to govern themselves as they see fit.

It would also help to make it illegal to use "human rights violations" as a pretext for neocolonial wars. You are at bad faith here (to put it very mildly) at least since the civil war in Yugoslavia, organised by US and some other western states.

Would Iran be willing to stop anti-US and anti-Israel propaganda?

Iran would surely point out that Israel isn't allowing Palestinians to govern themselves, and the US would point to the violent suppression of Iranian protests. (And then whatever the hell is going on in the US.) So it's not really clear if anybody is really being allowed to govern themselves.

I don't mean to both-sides this war; Israel and the US are clearly the aggressors and clearly in the wrong. But this is a very longstanding conflict and I don't think a one-sided promise to give up propaganda is going to help.

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