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Finding it hard to compete with the rigorous ICE recruitment standards?

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What would this have to do with ICE? Isn’t that DHS?

Same recruitment pool (like same "hiring pool" / market segment). Therefore, competing.

I think it is a joke of there is no requirement's ..

I think they mean (sarcastically) that ICE is sucking up all the qualified candidates.

>Run: 1.5-mile run in 14 minutes 25 seconds or less

Hilarious.

That's about a 8:30 mile scaling for the fact that its harder when you have to cover more distance... seems pretty reasonable to me as a fitness baseline for the army. I would struggle to make that now but if I had one month to prep I could clear that

Am I crazy? Isn't it 9:40 pace?

I don’t think someone completely untrained can do 10’ / mile.

Depends on what you mean by untrained. I think most men who exercise regularly and don't carry a ton of extra bodyweight, even with zero running, could bang out 1.5 miles at 9:40 pace. Couch potatoes, no.

"most men who exercise regularly and don't carry a ton of extra bodyweight, even with zero running" - what's that supposed to mean? How do they exercise then when they are not running?

I don't think many people who don't exercise running can do 1.5 miles in 9:40.

It's 1.5 miles in 14:25, I think most people can handle that. There are plenty of ways to exercise that aren't plain running. Biking, skating, swimming, Tai chi...

> what's that supposed to mean? How do they exercise then when they are not running?

Any other sport? Cycling, swimming, rowing, ball sports, team sports, weightlifting, ...

> I don't think many people who don't exercise running can do 1.5 miles in 9:40.

It's 1.5 miles at 9:40 mile pace; 14.5 minutes total. Much easier than 6:30 pace (what you're imagining).

A 29 minute 5K is not trivial

You're only running half of that.

I'm not sure if you're saying this as somebody who never runs, or somebody who runs so often that you've forgotten baseline levels. That's a very significant hurdle for most people. I'm in very good shape strength wise, but I'd almost certainly need to do some significant training to meet that since I just never run.

I run for weight loss and general health and at one point had a BMI in the mid-thirties. Back then I was able to make that pace for sessions of 30-40 minutes on most days. I'm not suggesting it's easy, but I would expect someone in ICE to easily outrun an obese person.

Genetics play into this far more than we used to realize. It depends on things like how good your body is at in taking and utilizing oxygen, the specific composition of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fibers you have, your body's ability to control and regulate lactic acid, etc.

I used to work around some very "high level" athletes. There is definitely a body type that is pretty BMI heavy that can run for days seemingly. They often struggle with sprints or H.I.I.T. type workouts, as a downside.

Jogging for 14 mins at a 10min/mile pace is so far out from any high level athletics or excuse for genetics impacting it. Being unable to do this is being completely out of shape.

At run clubs, I see practically every novice join and do 3 miles / 30 mins at 10min/mile pace on their very first day or within 2-3 attempts.

> Being unable to do this is being completely out of shape.

Really not advocating for the time.

It's quite slow compared to most US military standards.

I'm simply talking about my love of visual "fatbodies" that sometimes have 5x the running cardio of a, say, 5'8" 150lb male that looks like they could run circles around the heavier individual.

This is like saying that every novice who joins a power lifting club can easily press 60kg as a warmup. That's completely true, but also completely irrelevant because of a selection bias. A novice power lifter is already going to generally be in the top fraction of a percent of all people in terms of strength and lifting ability.

I'm not at all into running but I suspect it's the exact same scenario. It's just a selection bias. And also like running, genetics plays heavily into it.

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