What if it happens as a result of trying to hold someone worse responsible?
You do not get to decide that. If we allow everyone to invade other countries and murder leaders because they deem those people worse than themselves, the world will be engaged in endless war. Or do you think perhaps deciding who to invade and kill is a special privilege reserved only for your country, which should be emperor of the world?
The preceding comment was about holding someone responsible. It appears you might have misunderstood that mine points out that this is exactly how the school was hit.
I also don't even know what you're getting at. There was nothing "relativistic" or "morally grey" about my argument. My point is that in order for any kind of peace to exist, each country must be able to accept that there will be other people in the world who are morally repugnant to them. Because there will always be leaders who consider each other repugnant, so if you endorse starting wars over that, you're committing to a world where everyone is starting wars all the time as the international norm.
My understanding is that the regime in Iran has been terrorizing around the world for decades. It's not just disagreeable. People are seeking justice.
It's one thing to dislike another politician. No one needs justice for repugnancy. But if they are committing acts of terror, that's a totally different thing.
Yeah, that already happened. Now what? How do we stop more kids from getting kidnapped, raped, murdered, or bombed?
Your proposed solution is essentially a leader in every country that has suffered from Iran's terror who can convince his/her people that their kidnapped children are worth it.
Obviously that isn't feasible. But worse, how is that different than saying it's okay for Iran to kidnap children?
Not launching missiles at schools would be a great start to stopping kids from being bombed!
Do you think America thought of that already? I think they did and civilians still died.
Do you have any realistic suggestions?
But there you suggested that the US should stop because they make Iran want to bomb and that's why there's war. And we can say the same about Iran.
So, your solution is hopeless as we already know from centuries of conflict history. Iran wants to kill us for historical events. We want to kill them for those too. Very insightful.
But we're bigger and the war is just on the TV in America. You have a much better shot of convincing them that we'll stop bombing them if they just take it for a while and then don't seek revenge.
I didn't know why you think America will be easier to convince of that.
No, Iran wants to kill you for current events. You're talking like American imperialism in the Middle East is past-tense. It is on-going, constantly. It is happening right now. This, itself, is an imperialist war. Trump is not going to war for whatever fucking reason you think he is, like stopping terrorism or changing the Iranian regime to help the Iranian people.
> You have a much better shot of convincing them that we'll stop bombing them if they just take it for a while and then don't seek revenge.
They LITERALLY DID THAT. The first invasion striking their nuclear facilities was itself an act of war that would have justified closing the Strait and all other measures they could take to fight back. Yet they accepted such a blatant crime against them and tried to de-escalate, were in the middle of negotiating a humiliatingly one-sided deal (after Trump tore up the one they had made with Obama, for no reason), and then the US attacked them in the middle of negotiations for the second time in a row. This time killing their leader, 150 children, and countless other crimes. Nobody could ever lay down and accept that. You have just created a country full of people that will justifiably hate you for another 80 years, minimum. They have been taught that the only thing trying to appease the US does is embolden the US to take even more from them.
I don't know how to communicate this to you, but your country IS THE AGGRESSOR. The US is worse than Iran. Fullstop. The Iranian regime is evil, and despite that, the American regime manages to be multiple times worse. Peace in the Middle East was possible. It is the US who is constantly, constantly, constantly stirring up conflicts there, and you have the gall to blame Iran for it.
Did you just not know that or you would still call that negotiating?
Are you talking about Hamas?
He was also a high ranking military leader in Iran, which implies that he commanded, or maybe organized, but at the very least funded terror in Gaza, Israel, the US, Australia, France, etc.
I don't see that as a negotiator any more than the assassins who finally killed him were negotiators.
And yes, I was talking about Hamas, Hezbollah, and other Islamic Revolution export efforts stemming from the Islamic Republic government in Iran.
Whatever you say is besides the point, there's plenty of war crimes and terrorism to go around on both sides. Israel kills negotiators during an active negotiation. They have no interest in solving this other than Iran becoming a failed state. They are manufacturing this situation, its been the goal of Netanyahu for 4 decades, and he was there in congress to lie about WMDs when Iraq was attacked.
That's not happened when we talk about "plenty of war crimes and terrorism to go around." Not the US and not Israel.
It seems the goal (and Khameini stated this not just once but it's literally the stated primary goal of the Islamic Republic) is to bait other countries into war and use the media to blame them for war crimes generating support for the Islamic Revolution.
And that seems to be exactly what they've succeeded in doing here with your commentary. Here you are critical of the US.
If there is plenty to go around then why pick the side that promotes revolution and mutilation and opposes civil rights?
Export revolution is not the stated goal of the US. Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. It shouldn't be considered a good thing, right? One of these countries thinks it should be and that's worse.
>a regime that has been firing rockets at civilians in neighboring countries for 4 decades during peace time.
Hard to tell if you're talking about Israel or Hamas etc.
Laughable that you think that Iran can control western media.
I've been critical of the US for much longer than after oct 7. All the wars since WW2, overthrowing of governments, support of dictators, ignoring genocides for profit, all for US imperialism and weapon sales.
There is not a country that has caused more global suffering post WW2.
Let them violently export Islamic Revolution or don't. Those are our options.
I choose don't. I prefer civil rights.
Can you name one conflict in which Israel attacked during peace time? I can't. Interested to see where you go on this.
Reporters can only publish what Hamas allows. They will be banned from visiting otherwise. There was a good article about this in the Atlantic a while back.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/ho...
So yes, they do control your media on that topic. And clearly you're eating it up.
I certainly don't find that funny. You're siding with terrorists and voting for them, unknowingly it seems. You're comparing them with people defending their homes, a complete reversal of reality. That's deeply disturbing. It's not funny at all.
Which events were they wanting to kill Israelis and Americans for on October 7th? Or is it totally acceptable for Iran to start wars by kidnapping and torturing civilians and filming it, but not for America to do it without celebrating the death, kidnap, torture and rape of children?
The list of Iranian terror attacks in America amounts to a whole lot of fuck all. Whatever Iran might be doing elsewhere shouldn't be America's problem.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2026/03/06/iranian-and-iranian-...
And anyway, even if that weren't happening, most Americans are immigrants within two or three generations. This is a country of immigrants. A huge number of Americans have families that are affected by Islamic Republic terror attacks outside of the US. India, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, basically all of the countries in northern and eastern Africa, France, Germany, the UK.
The list of countries that haven't been attacked by terror groups funded and/or organized by Iran's Islamic Republic is pretty short.
While this certainly accords with the promulgations of the morally bankrupt UN, it is not a recipe for existing in our world. This is why it is important to have a powerful military.
yes. we got the bomb before they did, because our policies are better than theirs.
Why do people think that since Iran is evil all actions against Iran are justified?
Iran will go the same way, one way or another.