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My feeling is this will sort itself out as stories of kids getting strokes and blindness return to the zeitgeist.

When Covid hit, of the folks I knew it was the older ones who remembered polio and kids in iron lungs who rushed off to get the first shots. The younger ones who'd grown up in an environment where those things had been eliminated, and who got their advice from Sally on Facebook, were the ones who were reluctant. So you're probably right there.

it's probably too expensive, but we don't want to talk about that now do we

first thing I thought of, you are risking bankruptcy if you don’t default-decline everything possible

Vitamin K shots are a tiny portion of the overall expense for a hospital delivery. There is no way that 5% of people are refusing Vitamin K out of cost consciousness.

Tiny portions of the overall expense make up a massive portion of the overall expense.

Do we see similar growth in rejection of other small expenses during childbirth?

It’s as if doctors and the whole western medical industry has completely lost the trust of patients. I wonder what could have led to so many people losing their faith in that industry.

Could it be the insurance kickbacks they’re now known to receive for vaccine administration? Could it be that they got the food pyramid completely wrong for decades? Could it be that we’re now sicker than ever with all of their “help”?

I grew up trusting doctors and vaccinating my children, but it’s not exactly surprising that we have the results that they’ve given us (sicker than ever) and trust is lost.

> Could it be that we’re now sicker than ever

Are we though? Globally, mortality rates continue to decline and lifespan to increase. We definitely are seeing increases in classes of disease (eg. immune system related) as others decrease, but I feel your statement doesn’t reflect what’s being measured. Unless you’re referring to mental health issues?

many of the "routine" injections are for things that are supposed to prevent issues that happen in 1~4 per 100000 births, but I can find no breakdown of how many issues are caused BY the vacines, or how many of the bad outcomes bieng "prevented", are actualy caused by mothers bad habbits and poor health. The hospitals chief meddical officer who came to admonish me for refusing these injections for our new born, finnaly admitted "we do treat many, to catch a few", after bieng unable to provide actual data on 1 ,the real ingredients in the injections, and two access to the data behind developing the "treatments". Kids and mom were supper healthy and fit,living simple rural lifestyle, my side of the family are medical, and we did our research as much as proved possible. Did notice and asked for clarification about the suite set asside for drug reps to do there sales pitches in the hospital, but as I have stated, information asked for concerning the injections, months in advance I must add, and promised to recieve, never did materialise.

*fuck your down vote

“We do treat many, to catch a few” is not a secret though. It’s the basis for maintaining herd immunity via vaccination. I get being concerned about vaccines in newborns, but I have yet to hear a compelling argument that vaccines don’t play a significant role in disease eradication that we now enjoy.

totaly understood, and I dont deny the overall benifits that medicine has delivered. but there are very definitely shortcuts in how vacines are made and used, and wildly inflated prices charged for things that are then described as "routine", BUT there will be a clause saying that any issues are the parents fault for something they failed to do or reveal. pick a fucking lane is all I am saying, provide TOTAL information on anything and everything that they pass off as "routine", and therfore?, what, beneath them to disclose? for a new born human. sorry, it does not wash, will not wash. facts, disclosure were denied, in spite of calm, pleasant, timely requests, and promises to provide the info. This isn't a conspiracy theory bubbling up out of a vacume,I tried HARD to get the info on the injections on my own, there is nothing. So anybody defending whatever IS BIENG SYTEMATICLY HIDDEN can fuck right off! oh, and guess what,a few millions others have the same unanswered questions.

You aren't pointing to any data at all. Oh and the big deal with vaccines is of course that they prevent issues that happen in 1~4 per 100000 births, BECAUSE everyone is vaccinated. Vaccinations dropped that number, and are dropping that number, but if vaccinations stop, that number will again rapidly increase. And since you can bet your firstborn that if that number starts rising it will be an epidemic, those numbers will at minimum rise to their historic values, about 10% of the population. This is why there is such a strong reaction from others, when you choose to not vaccinate. One case does not matter, one too many and ...

Btw: if the number drops to actual zero, we do halt vaccinations, like we did with smallpox. There are zero patients, the last few patients were research lab accidents. Nobody is vaccinated against smallpox these days.

> "how many of the bad outcomes bieng "prevented", are actualy caused by mothers bad habbits and poor health"

Bad habits and poor health only matter, and only a bit, if the number of infections is ridiculously low, and while I get that during your entire life this has been the case, please look at some old films and get yourself informed about the bloody handkerchiefs.

Right now catching tuberculosis, you could say things like that it's not going to happen unless you spend a lot of time with an infected person in Africa, or in some "unsanitary part of" the third world. Otherwise ... it won't happen. True.

BUT if Tuberculosis starts spreading we'll be back to the situation 100 years ago in no time: spending even short amounts of time in a place where a number of infected stayed for whatever reason and you'll be infected ... and die in 2 years. We'll be back to the situation where caring for Tuberculosis patients is essentially a death sentence (meaning if you care for a lot of Tuberculosis patients, it does not matter how careful you are. You are absurdly careful and clean and ... after 5 years you'll find yourself infected. If not? 2 years. So who's going to care for those patients?)

It sounds like you're trying to save a very small amount of money, and for those tiny savings you're running the risk of creating not just a nationwide disaster, but a global disaster for everyone. The logic behind vaccines is just that: if enough people stop taking vaccines, millions will die, NOT just the ones that stop taking vaccines. And that's in the US alone.

If you must know, if vaccines cause an issue, it's called a "cytokine storm" and it happens in the single digits per million infections.

Vitamin K Deficiency Bleeding occurs in far more than 1/100,000 births when babies are not given Vitamin K. You are off by several orders of magnitude.

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