I tend to avoid placing the blame on individuals (parents in this case) when the problem being described is so widespread. People act as rationally as they can, so if it's that common, it's a systemic failure. Scolding the masses is a fool's errand.
We’re talking about underdeveloped minds in the face of excruciating social and physiological pressure.
I’m pretty sure the systemic failure is, in part, that parents are, en masse, abdicating their responsibilities of guiding their children through the minefield of modern technology, from iPad kids on up.
The reasons why vary - and include being addicted themselves.
I’d love to hear any anecdotal evidence to the contrary - not just a dismissal, or being called a fool.
One example is the tension between childrens' independence and roaming and the now lack of payphones. Taking away a cell phone doesn't bring back payphones. It either reduces a child's independence or puts them in more dangerous situations. What it doesn't do is return them back to a time when a couple of quarters could call mom or dad.
No, teach them some motherfucking respect,
so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.
Disrespect toward supposed authority figures as a default is a very modern concept.
Just reads like you’re agreeing with me, now.
you’re saying the complaint is that in that era it was also thought of as a new phenomenon.
That makes some sense - it’s been a declining slope, with a huge drop-off point.
But was there also evidence of less-competent people coming out of the end of the machine that’s supposed to produce people to keep the civilization functional?
Probably happened at one time or another - but it was probably also considered a problem……
My original “as a default” verbiage is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but is there for a reason.
but I’m still wholly unconvinced,
due to your abandonment of the thread after a drive-by effort.
Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did.
They all feel exactly the same way. The parsimonious explanation is that this is a bias that develops as we age and like any bias, we're especially blind to it and deny its existence as evidenced in this thread.
I know it doesn't feel good to realize you have a bias, but that rational thing is to understand it and account for it. That too is part of growing older.
I’m desperate to understand what your point is - if it’s that I’m just another old fogie biased against the next generation, then you couldn’t be more mislead.
I’m desperate to have a conversation, for the good of this community. That’s what we’re here for.
> Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did.
I’m not expressing a sentiment. We all are. Entire classrooms of kids are ignoring the authority figure as a default.
That’s the topic in TFA.
It’s…not my opinion. Or a sentiment. Or subject to bias.
Whatever bias you think I’m showing: you should name it! I don’t even know what sort of fallacy you’re accusing me of!
Growing older isn’t accepting someone sneering vaguely and unproductively at you.
that’s why the pendulum has swung as far as it, in the direction it has!
That doesn’t make it the right call, necessarily legal in every jurisdiction, or even moral (in certain edge cases).
Calling back to my earlier comment: handing your kid an iPad for all of their free time is easy, too!
and will be,
cultures that exhibit (and socially enforce) basic respect, yes.
Even in the presence of technology.