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I’ve been using Telegram for about 10 years, and it’s one of the few products that has consistently felt great the entire time. It’s fast everywhere: backend, mobile app, desktop app, all of it. Everything just works. Its sync is out of this world—fluid, fast, and seamless across devices. You can use it on your phone, then move to your PC or laptop and continue instantly without friction. Unlimited message history and file storage are fantastic, and the bot platform is absurdly powerful. It’s boring in the best way, which is exactly what you want from a channel for interacting with your agents everywhere.

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Everything except privacy of communication. No?

In what way is privacy in Telegram worse than in Teams or Slack?

I don't know and I don't care.

The comment I replied to said all these great things about Telegram, as if it where a marketing copy, but none of the downsides.

Ok, well in case anyone else does care, telegram offers e2e encrypted messages, slack and teams do not

https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple

Instead of Telegram, go self-hosted for company related communication activity. See Gamers Nexus recent video on self-hosted discord alternatives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpjcmXbmMVM

For encrypted group conversation over third-party networks use Signal, or Matrix which try to keep your conversations private.

The fact that Telegram has their support playbooks online, is interesting. Though I would call the following claim a stretch

> As a result, we have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments, to this day.

Telegram gave more user data to French authorities after founder's arrest https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2025/01/08/telegram...

Telegram had always impressed me for the same reasons. They have constantly gotten worse since about 2022/2023 though. Dark patterns, pay gate, they lost chat history for some of my closest contacts including 15k+ lost photos, no support at all. Something changed in their product direction and I started moving all my chats to Signal.

They need to stop cramming in useless features like Stories and NFT's and they recently redesigned the Android app to be like iOS but it broke my muscle memory, moved ALL items around (like "Saved" being in 1st spot when sharing, after the update it was buried, then it was at the top again and now it's under "Create a Story") and trashed the performance with the chat list not even loading at start (switching the tabs at the bottom "fixes" this, speaking of tabs, who even needs these there? The hamburger menu was fine). At least the desktop program is good AND native and not web slop.

EDIT: and the Bot API is a killer feature

Since we are apparently giving messaging platform reviews here, I feel exactly the same way about Microsoft Teams. It works great. It does everything I want. It doesn’t get in my way. 10 out of 10 keep up the great work guys!

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I don’t believe you.

I would never accuse Teams of being fast.

Doesn’t seem to matter if I have an i9, a macbook m4 or a threadripper.

I only use Teams for meetings and the calendar, and the occasional chat during a meeting. I find it totally fine and I don't really think about it much one way or the other. For reference I have a 2021 M1 Max with 64 GB.

Probably all managers and engineers working on Teams have similar copious amounts of memory and powerful CPUs on their devices and hardly use their own product. That would explain a lot

It honestly wasn't much different on my 2018 i5 Mini with 32 GB.

Maybe what sucks here is the experience of running it on Windows. Or maybe it sucks for large meetings? But I never have Teams meetings with > 40 people at this company.

satire is dead for when it comes home we look her in the face and cannot recognize her.

>It works great.

When it is online, I agree with things asides from the "fast" part, actually. But many companies have a secondary service for async comms/chat when being Teams cannot be online, and compared to Slack.

Then you must not be using it.

Teams network connectivity is a plain joke. If you use suspend, or frequently change network, the thing will just never reconnect, even though you have VPN alive and all network applications perfectly running.

And the thing is just absurbdly sluggish, only display blurred grey lines instead of text in a meager attempt to look snappy.

I had a teams meeting yesterday and the entire UI disappeared so I couldn't unmute the mic. Shortcut didn't work either.

Months back I was in a meeting and the dial tone just started sounding like someone was calling me.

I face bugs like this often. It's a pos.

Now try to be connected to 3 different Teams instances at the same time.

I thought this was sarcastic

I was like are we using the same teams app?

Honestly can't tell if this is not sarcasm/rage bait.

Teams that has 3 different UI frameworks on every platform (but your best bet is the web)? With the Microsoft login that tends to loop forever redirecting to God knows where?

It's incomparable to telegram.

> Since we are apparently giving messaging platform reviews here, I feel exactly the same way about Microsoft Teams. It works great. It does everything I want. It doesn’t get in my way. 10 out of 10 keep up the great work guys!

It looks like we found a high executive using company money to buy a product no one wants to use.

It's easy to promote Teams if your secretary is handling it for you and you don't need to suffer yourself.

The other possibility: Microsoft started an astroturfing campaign on HN.

> It does everything I want.

Does it not start on your chosen platform or just not exist?

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