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UK security adviser attended US-Iran talks and judged deal was within reach

theguardian.com

35 pointsprmph12 comments

The goal was never the "deal", but to erase Iran as a sovereign nation, and bresk its spirit. Simple as that.

>a reluctance that has put the UK-US relationship under unprecedented strain.

Generally speaking people and countries are less likely to help you, when you have recently threatened, insulted and belittled them.

Everything is completely transactional for Trump. What is in it for him? There is no longer a UK-US relationship in any meaningful sense. The sooner British politicians understand that, the better.

Given the Greenland stuff, isn't it within EU and UK's interests to keep the US occupied in Iran?

Possibly. However:

- Europe gets a lot of it's oil through the Straits of Hormuz.

- Xi might see this as his opportunity to attack Taiwan.

It is just a huge mess in which everyone loses. Except perhaps Netanyahu and Trump, personally.

If we finally get the broad roll-out of renewable energy out of this, that would be a silver lining to this horrible mess. I hope it is a "Things need to get worse to get better" type of situation.

> Europe gets a lot of it's oil through the Straits of Hormuz.

20 mb/d, around 25% world seaborne oil trade, transits the Strait – 80% destined for Asia. 4%, of the region’s crude flows are routed into Europe

LNG - In 2025, almost 90% of the total volumes exported via the Strait of Hormuz was destined to the Asian market, while the share of Europe was just over 10%.

Volume of oil (or LNG) isnt really the problem for the western hemisphere, its the doubling of price.

I found this:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-oil-trade-through-t...

3.8% is a lot less than the news reports were implying. But, as you say, it will drive up the global price.

It's more complex, especially when considering Ukraine and Israel's appetite for weapons and ordnance. Every missile or drone canceled or delayed or rerouted to support Israel is one less Ukraine has to defend itself. Given Europe's investment and interest in the war, they should be very nervous about a prolonged or intensified conflict in the middle east that harms EU geostrategy.

> It's more complex, especially when considering Ukraine and Israel's appetite for weapons and ordnance. Every missile or drone canceled or delayed or rerouted to support Israel is one less Ukraine has to defend itself.

Except how much is the US/Trump actually helping Ukraine nowadays? How much are they providing? And how dependent on the US does Ukraine actually want to be given Trump's fandom of Putin?

And to ease oil prices, the US takes its already limited pressure off Russia meanwhile. Given the Ukraine situation, I can't see how that helps EU and UK.

Onithe nuclear side a deal was in reach. But Trump always said that ballistic missles and money to those picking fights with Isreal: were things Iran never allowed to be talked about much less reach a deal.

i'm not in favor of this attack but trying pretened a deal was close is clearly wrong as those paying attention well knew

> pretened a deal was close

Those that were paying attention knew there was a deal in place that the US withdrew from then tried to negotiate a worse deal for themselves.

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