Israel, like the US, needs to be in a permanent state of war to keep the ball moving
Remember STUXNET? Have you thought for a second that maybe if their centrifuges and nuclear facilities weren't constantly attacked and sabotaged by US and Israel every step of the way for the past few decades, plus having their top nuclear scientists assassinated every now and then, they could have had nukes a long time ago when those warnings were issued without those constant roadblocks setting them back?
It can’t be both ways. Either way the administration is lying, so I just don’t trust any of the reasons given for the current conflict.
The sad part is this is exactly what Trump and his administration, as well as the larger Republican Party, have wanted for years. My inherent distrust of every government action until I see overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
It can be over time. A country can rebuild its nuclear ambitions after they've been completely destroyed.
Do you think Iran just gave up their nuclear ambition and 40 years of work after a bomb raid? "Think Mark, think"
Needlessly patronizing. But moving past that, how could their capabilities have been “completely obliterated” months ago and yet they are now so close to making a bomb that it warranted all this? That doesn’t make any sense. Just like the tariffs or any other controversial decision, the administration is giving different answers to different people at different times. They seed talking points, they do not provide useful information.
So again, either June was a failure and they lied or they are lying about this attack.
The thing about nukes is that they massively disincentivize military attacks on your sovereignty. That strikes me as a perfectly legitimate reason to acquire them.
If that's as far as your logic takes you, there's no point arguing with you further.
>Despite decades of antipathy and ongoing conflicts over Kashmir they have managed to restrain themselves from firing one at India
You think India is OK with Pakistan having nukes?
India (which also has nukes) may hate that Pakistan has that capability, but there's nothing they can do about it. I'd say Pakistan is considerably more secure with than without. And despite being an Islamic country with a nexus to terrorism they haven't blown up any western countries.
The moment IR gets nukes, Saudis and all the other countries around them will get nukes as well.
I don’t understand why everyone is so hell bent on not preventing the spread of nuclear weapons. We have enough of this crap already, and the last thing we need is more nukes.
If Iran was on the path to developing nukes, the correct path here was to:
1. Show the evidence to congress, and declare war legally based on the facts.
2. Get international buy-in, and work with our allies (all of whom would very much like to prevent Iran from procuring a nuclear weapon).
This was a hastily started war with flimsy goals and seemingly no real urgency. And one of the first things we did as part of our attack was to bomb an elementary school, killing hundreds of children.
Critics of this war aren't "hell bent on not preventing the spread of nuclear weapons". We're mostly looking at the situation, and thinking "this is not great".
No, I am not. It has nothing to do with Trump his abilities to speak only truth or always lie.
IAEA itself reported the 60% figure [1].
[1] https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pd...
And again, nothing about this justifies the way this war was initiated.