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But at proto is equally open? You can also just save all of at proto.

You can save all of anything someone makes public with ATProto, ActivityPub, or RSS. You can do that with anything someone puts on a web page too, but those protocols simplify automation.

I understand why people want to be able to delete things from the internet, but it doesn't work that way. It has never worked that way. It can't work that way unless every computer is locked down to running remotely attested government-approved software, and that's obviously worse.

Once you hit publish, it's public and anyone and everyone can save a copy and distribute it. If you don't like that, don't hit publish.

ATProto won't be this way for much longer. Permissioned data is coming and will not be broadcast or accessible without grants. This will sit next to the public data, but separate.

So ATProto is about to die, in other words.

It was already wayyy too complex. And this? Yeah, they (you? sorry) really need to just give it up.

The vast majority of people don't want their activity broadcast out to the internet for anyone to grab.

Permissioned / private data is non negotiable for any social media tech trying to gain mass adoption.

Are you serious? Y'all are so confused about what this is.

The entire point of services like Bluesky and Twitter is broadcasting your activity out to the internet for anyone to see (which of, course, is technically little-or-no different from "grab")

ATProto is not Bluesky, the later is just one app on the former. There are many more apps like Tangled, git on ATProto, which need private repositories.

You seem rather confused. I do not work for Bluesky. I am an independent developer building completely separate applications on ATProto.

Fair, I'm aware and I am conflating what people do with Bluesky and what ATProto can do. I absolutely do see the value in ATProto doing things that aren't "social media"

I hope the bluesky team can as well, as we work towards permissioned data support.

I would say the opposite. If you don't want your activity public, don't put it on the Internet.

How do you think about Google Docs? I consider that "on the internet" since it is not on my computer. Same for private channels and threads in Discord.

Also, ATProto can be much more than social media tech, more like a plug-n-play distributed system

https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers

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