Richard Stallman: Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents
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Industry - Google, Apple, Microsoft, and others would probably be in favor of something like this, because it would promote more development on their systems if developers feel completely safe from patent trolls. It would also be seen as a good publicity move from any of these companies.
It would definitely help convince me of the sincerity of their claims that they maintain their software patent portfolios for defensive purposes.
FPGAs? Is an algorithm implemented on a FPGA a software or hardware implementation?
Sufficiently popular software algorithms like mpeg4 (including avc) are often implemented in ASICs for speed. Stallman's suggestion does nothing to help in those cases.
What if Intel introduces new instructions that assist with some patented algorithm but do not carry out the complete algorithm? Software completes the algorithm using the chip instruction. Is that covered under Stallman's software patent immunity proposal?
The dichotomy between software implementations and hardware implementations is unhelpful. If you oppose software patents on principle, whether because you think they're harmful or because you think they're math and are not supposed to be patentable in the first place, why let the camel's nose into the tent by campaigning to allow hardware (ASIC?) implementation patents, but not allowing pure-software implementations?
Perhaps this is better framed as an economic argument. If cost were no object, more algorithms would be implemented in ASICs. There's a limit to the total chip area you'd want to fit into a computer, but a lot of algorithms could be implemented in a few custom ASICs. It's likely that some of those algorithms would be covered by patents. Stallman's proposal seems like discrimination against algorithms that are important enough to make faster execution worth a lot of money.
If software patents are not valid, and I don't believe they are valid, then allowing them to apply to hardware implementations is just applying a band-aid and punting on the real issue. Stallman's proposal may be pragmatic, in that it reduces risk to most start-ups and other entities worried about violating patents in software, but it sustains the confusion about what software patents are and whether they can be valid. I think there's more at stake than the money at issue in patent lawsuits every year. I think broad appreciation of the value of open culture, and recognition that algorithms should be part of that, is worth more than any extra value companies might be able to extract from hardware implementations of patented algorithms due to artificial monopolies created by patent protection.
(I just realized: you may be in the dubious position of being less pragmatic about something than Richard Stallman. It's not often someone can say that!)
It's silly to assume no change in behavior, any legal counsel from that point on will advise in favor of patenting the hardware implementation, and instead of patented software running on commodity hardware we'll end up with patented "appliances" and "reference hardware implementations" with broad claims extending to other types of hardware implementations.
Apple might be able to patent multi touch if they hypothetically invented it, since that's a hardware thing.
But once that touch data makes it to the CPU, what is done with it afterwards would be unpatentable.
Even if Apple themselves somehow did slide to unlock in hardware, competitors could still implement a software version.
In that state of the world, if they patent the hardware solution, I don't care. I can still implement in software and I have a legal workaround to avoid infringing. I'm driving the truck through the hole.
If you start an arguement at two extremes, and give ground where your opponents do not, you weaken your position and put the compromise between them more in their favor. And when you keep giving ground, you keep showing a willingness to concede defeat, and your opponents will just ignore you. If you stand your ground, you are a stalwart wall of opposition that needs to be confronted, rather than ignored, eventually.
In many cases (gay rights, civil liberties, patent law, equality / freedom) that stalwart position may require multiple generations. You don't get instant results when dealing with the entrenched status quo that is horribly wrong. But when you give ground you render your entire argument and stance illegitimate because your opponents can dismiss you as you keep conceding ground and giving up on your positions.
Patents, as a whole, are archaic and bad. The turnaround time for any new discovery is now a matter of days, or months, rather than the years it would take in centuries past to distribute and market goods and services. In the digital world, everything is already information, it is all number patterns in electrical terms, and we had a track record of not letting people monopolize knowledge and information in the realm of mathematics before, and the digital era should never have been any different in my opinion. Of course, it is my opinion and all. But I remain dilligent in my stance for it.
I have lost a lot of respect for Stallman because it seems in recent years his dialogue has propagated a lot of "buts" in his arguments. He concedes ground on what he believes in and that illegitimizes him more than anyone calling him cookey would in my book.
Actually it's quite helpful. Something implemented in hardware has one fixed royalty per device, no matter what operating system or other customization has been performed. That implementation becomes a capability of the device, a manufacturers selling point. A software implementation is "shipped" over and over again as the software is updated, the user changes software packages, etc.
I'm pretty ambivalent on hardware patents, having grown up reading Don Lancaster, etc. But they could be a workable way to fund codec development while not encroaching on software freedom.
Sure, why wouldn't it be? I'm not suggesting his idea is feasible or not. But as he stated it, in this case if you were able to reverse engineer the software bits required to make the magic happen on the chip and reimplement your own version you wouldn't be on the hook for actionable patent infringement whether you were the developer or a user.
OTOH you wouldn't be able to implement the hardware side of that system under these rules.
Or maybe he's had a change in opinion recently. I have to say, this is the only cogent, practical argument I've heard out of him over the last few years. I really dislike his dogma on the free software issue.
He has principles that he tries to live by and advocates strongly but I have never viewed him as an idealist nor do I see much evidence for it.
As for the complaints that this might create more legal absurdities, there are plenty of those already. An imperfect solution is better than none.
A clear and strong reform of patent would be preferable, and has been for long the free software foundations strategy. In the case of Bilski v. Kappos, one can read a brief made by the fsf, which rather clearly presents their view. I also strongly promote the idea to watch/read a talk by eben moglen at https://www.softwarefreedom.org/events/2009/Moglen_Cardozo/C...
FPGA is pretty much general purpose metahardware. It's programmable so you could program it to be any chip, thus not covered by the effects of a patent.
Sufficiently popular software algorithms like mpeg4 (including avc) are often implemented in ASICs for speed. Stallman's suggestion does nothing to help in those cases.
If you're manufacturing or buying dedicated hardware to do one specific task well I don't see why would patents need not apply? The codec chip is clearly a "hardware machine", not a general purpose processor. It's something I imagine companies are prepared to pay license fees for. Further, nobody will accidentally use a MPEG4 hardware decoder in some device they make which is a different situation from how the accidental problems manifest in software.
Nothing to be surprised about.
Personally I'm not extremely in favor, as I'm anti-patent/copyright in general, but it makes sense for someone whose primary goal is software freedom.
He goes on to say "generally used computing hardware" is the opposite of "special-purpose hardware" but I think that definition needs to be really explicit.
Of course then, would anyone in Congress actually pass such a bill?
A distinction with surgeons is their work is not reproducible at near-zero cost; so shielding affects only n surgeons, not all developers and their users (i.e. "most people"). Also, people generally don't die because developers can't code a particular technique. He might get a foothold in software in surgical equipment, but I bet the shield doesn't apply to them.
Patent trolls acquire a large number of bogus patents, sue companies and in most cases settle confidentially. Most companies don't like risk especially when their core business process is threatened. So they settle even if there's a good chance the patent could be challenged. It's not a fair fight...
To limit this abuse we could make patents non transferable meaning you can sell the right to use the invention but you cannot sell the invention. Some will argue that patent trolls could work on behalf of inventors to help them enforce their patents but I think most inventors are more reasonable than the lawyers specializing in patent trolling. There might also be a way to mitigate this risk with some regulation, ideas?
- pay royalties. - or own another patent amazon is infringing as a mean to disuade amazon from suing.
Maybe the problem here is that these patents you are referring to seem overly simple and shouldn't be somebody's IP but what seems trivial and intuitive today could have been very innovative at the time they were patented.
What's wrong with it is that no competitors can use the same idea without paying Amazon (assuming Amazon would even agree to license it).
What is the benefit to society of preventing someone other than Amazon from implementing 1-click checkout? Do you really think that "innovation" would never have been created without the protection of patents?
This has several advantages:
1. The number of educated people have risen considerably that we are filing more patents in a decade than the past 100 years. Even if there weren't patent protection, ideas will still continue to be created. By getting rid of the first past the post problem, we are effectively saying we will not grant an exclusive patent for something that someone else could have invented.
2. This scheme does not impact on the R&D that requires long term investment. e.g. pharmaceuticals.
3. It makes "idea patents" easy to invalidate. e.g. using a phone to play music.
One of the key points of the article is that "changing the criteria to prevent issuing more would not get rid of the existing ones."
How would you address this?
May be a test for obviousness is that an expert in the field is able to deduce the "inner workings" by only observing the result of applying the patent.
Thus, a pharmaceutical patent would continue to be effective under this test (you can't really tell the inner workings of a pill by looking at the pill). However, you can tell the inner workings of a bloody rounded corner, or using a phone to play music.
I say this, because patents were intented to incentivize people from hiding their secret ideas so that society at large benefits. If your idea can't be hidden, then there is no need to grant any monopoly.
However I find it odd that in the preamble he points out Apple, but presumably something like an iPhone would easily fall into the class of special purpose computing equipment, so Apple's case would be unaffected by it. In fact, it might even encourage mobile phone platforms to become more locked down and restrictive so as to avoid falling into the definition of a "general purpose" computer. Thus there could be a very dangerous backfiring of this if the definitions were not clear and broad.
So you could have something like the slide to unlock patent. It could bind software shipped as part of the base operating system. But app developers could implement that same feature in an app and be fine.
Far from perfect. But a definite improvement.
Then I can come along and write software for Android that implements slide-to-unlock, and I am not infringing because my implementation is software only.
The end result of this means that Apple's slide-to-unlock patent would become worthless.
They are so influential right now, and are changing the very fate of the infrastructure of this planet.
It isn't just about money, it's about how the whole ecosystem is poisoned. Either there needs to be massive reform sponsored by the major corps. or small countries will start to break out of treaties to promote "IP freedom" for shell corps.
Not sure if that would be legally viable though. One would have to contact a lawyer and ask.
B) There is already a powerful force that has promoted innovation in software much more than patents, and that is open source. In fact, most of the web sites on the internet are powered by a stack of open source software. Therefore, innovation would take place in this industry even if the government didn't offer a 20 year monopoly to anyone who can disclose a non obvious idea to the public.
C) The purpose of patents is to promote innovation by encouraging the inventor to disclose the details of the intention to the public, in exchange for a 17-20 year monopoly on the implementation of the invention. However, since the industry moves so fast, inventions which are not obvious when patented become extremely obvious "incremental improvements" several years later. This combined with A completely defeats the positive side (to the public) of the compromise, but keeps the negative side of the compromise -- namely the monopoly. The latter costs society in the form of litigations, intimidation of small companies, and injunctions against useful products made by big corporations.
D) Software patents encourage patent trolls to file an invention and lie in wait, or sell the patent to someone who will lie in wait. Meanwhile, they discourage actually implementing technology, because it can infringe on any number of patented inventions. We all realize how much implementation and execution is more important than a mere idea. Thus, it might actually be thwarting the very thing that it's supposed to promote: actual implementation. In the words of Fred Wilson, it is a "tax on innovation".
E) By contrast, open source encourages actual IMPLEMENTORS of software to not only disclose the effect to the public, but release a functional piece of software which actually implements the innovations. Moreover, many Free Software licenses compel those who make use of this software to release their own software in turn. The result is people building on each other's work, promoting implementation and execution over simply disclosing ideas. This aligns much better with the interests of society at large -- and the original purpose for patents.
F) The industry moves too fast for the patent office to keep up not only with the state of the art (they have almost no chance), but even the state of PRIOR ART, leading to many patents being granted that don't satisfy the obviousness or prior art requirements. Sometimes dozens of patents are approved for the exact same thing. As a result, the cost to society is pushed into the legal sector, causing lengthy court proceedings rather than patent office actions.
G) When a small company is sued, even by a patent which can be invalidated, it can often be intimidated into entering a settlement (an unfair situation), or in fact defeated because it didn't have the funds to find the prior art. But even in cases where there was no prior art and the patented invention was in fact not obvious, chances are 99% of the time the "infringing" implementation was developed completely unaware of the patent's existence. See points A, and C. Therefore, the positive side of the compromise (to the public) was completely superfluous, but the negative side hits with full force and effect (see point F).
H) Large companies now spend billions of dollars to acquire patent portfolios for purposes of intimidation, defense against ... patent litigation, and anticompetitive practices -- by which I mean not competing on actual quality and price of the products, but rather trying to artificially reduce the quality and increase the price of the competing products. The costs to the consumer are obvious. Moreover, the costs to shareholders include money that will never be used for actual innovation, but simply the above purposes.
All in all, there are many reasons to abolish software patents in the USA.
It avoids the messiness of invalidating existing patents or determining during patent examination which patents are for software and which patents are for hardware. Effectively, it shifts that determination to the implementer.
If I'm able to implement a patented idea in software, then it was a software patent. And I'm not infringing.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/wp/2012/2012-035.pdf
It does touch on much of what you have mentioned.
If you write a program in say... python which is open source. You can patent that program even though your work is based of something that is publicly available? Or can you only patent additional libraries/new languages?
An implementation can implement something that is patented, but that does not mean the implementation is itself patented.
MS Word is not patented, but implements many patented concepts.
Many people here seem to be focusing on how patent lawyers would find new ways to write software patents, or focusing on whether hardware would still be patentable. That misses the point.
If I can implement a patented idea in software on commodity hardware, I'm safe. Simple!
It's an interesting thought experiment, but treating it as more than that is a mistake.
It's tougher to make the same sale when you're talking about a bunch of computer programmers and startup founders.
It seems to me that blockers for such laws are more likely to be lobbyists.
A better example, one that was purely social, was when Prohibition was enacted in the United States (alcohol being about as old as humanity). Preachers were calling for prisons to be torn down as they would no longer be necessary with the passing of the Demon Rum.
Then again, perhaps that's not the best example either. How about we just settle on someone noncontroversial like Gandhi?
This situation would be laughable if it weren't backed up by the force of law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement
states " The definition of patent infringement may vary by jurisdiction, but it typically includes using or selling the patented invention. In many countries, a use is required to be commercial (or to have a commercial purpose) to constitute patent infringement.[citation needed] "
Pretty unlikely in this case, but I can think of interviews where I had the same concern. MegaCorp posed a problem they were having (eg. preventing radar self jamming), I told them one solution I knew of, but I was very careful to point out that it was patented less they turn around and use it.
So I share the parent's question: Can you be held liable for infringement due to a job interview answer?
Pick a premise and argue against it. Or, don't bother: you and the US legal system are in an argument against reality. It's not a winnable argument, but sense can take a long time to percolate through obstinate stupidity.
If you read the claims, doubly linked lists are a special case. However, the prior art for doubly linked lists goes back decades.