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71% Desk Workers Say Screen-Related Visual Discomfort Is Reducing Productivity

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I have found the use of e-ink screens has not only given my eyes a rest, but reduced distraction as well.

Short review of what I've tried:

POMERA/KINGJIM: https://kingjim.us/products/pomera-full-suite-typewriter-for...

This is great and pocket sized, but the keyboard is rather small. Very simple text based file system, I haven't tried their software and just use the microSD. Fits in a pocket neatly which is great.

REMARKABLE2: https://remarkable.com/

Really nice handwriting system, terrible sync software. Probably these cannot be separated, which is a shame. The included keyboard is great. I will probably sell this.

DAYLIGHT COMPUTER: https://daylightcomputer.com/

This is great because it runs Android so it doubles as my book reader too. Handwriting is useless, and you have to buy your own keyboard which is annoying since its so expensive, and the case options are highly limited. That said, I can use my apple magic keyboard with it so it's fairly natural, but the whole setup is rather bulky.

BOOX external monitor: https://onyxboox.com/boox_mirapro

This is a bit clunky but offers a big screen, which is nice. I don't trust the software on their eink readers and whatnot, but it's fine for desktop use.

Happy to answer questions and eager to hear what other HN folks are doing on this front.

More recently I've been using Daylight Computer

RLCD worth a mention too.

Not a computer per se, but I've been using the Mudita Kompakt e-ink phone. It's limited because it's small and degoogled but I've managed to get everything I need other than uber on there.

What's the refresh like on that monitor? Could it be used for terminal-based work or is it too slow? I have a boox go tablet for reading oreilly and honestly the device is so slow and clanky that I've only turned it on maybe a dozen times

The boox monitor refresh is not great, and they included a little button to manually refresh the screen as the ghosting is so bad. Sorry.

The remarkable 2 is entirely separable from the cloud bullshit. You have root SSH access out of the box and the community has several sync replacement options for most needs.

You can also install a terminal emulator and do all the usual linux CLI stuff like vim and SSH on a pleasant e-ink display.

The keyboard does have a good feel, but I hate the layout and it's a bit too fiddly.

Great to know, thank you!

Yeah, forget that. Switching the system over to Linux access kills most of its features and is hidden be hind scary screens, including loss of warranty. It is only your typically greenwashing like, “ we are open source” marketing badge. The community is also almost dead, probably because of that.

Keyboard is also unusable, it doesn’t even have enough characters for markdown.

Yeah it seems like they have a great product that some spreadsheet toucher killed. A cryin' shame.

Open-hardware e-paper: 13.3”, 1600x1200, 75Hz, HDMI & USB-C, Mac compatible: https://www.crowdsupply.com/modos-tech/modos-paper-monitor

Get glasses with the correct focal length for the distance you have your screen at. It makes a huge difference.

And beyond 20/20/20 rule, try to physically go outdoors in sunlight if possible. You can go down by 0.5 diopters if you do this consistently enough.

This is a terrible source of information: it's talking about a survey about vision problems, by an eye care company, and you can't see the survey.

I'm completely sure that the way they worded the question the headline is about was very generously worded and that the phrasing in the headline misrepresents what it asked, because that's how these things work. Not that anyone is at fault, of course, the headline isn't a lie, and of course there are other reasons that the survey is hidden behind a subscription wall. It just so happens that the percent of people with screen-related visual discomfort according to the eye-care company survey is, I dunno, 2x higher than it would be if you asked the question directly. That's just how these things work.

(I suspect that someone is going to confuse this comment as me saying that eye-strain from screens isn't a problem for a lot of people. Pre-empting that by agreeing that, yes, of course eye-strain from screen is a problem for a lot of people.)

Yeah I have this. Mild but constant headaches, and a big floater I've always had has recently moved right into the centre of my vision and bounces around when I read on a screen, really harms my focus.

I've been to opticians they said nothing is physically working and there is nothing they can safely do. I found some vitamins that apparently help and they do seem to be helping but they seem to have broken up other floaters so now I have more.

I know the only real cure is to get out of this game, but it's a hobby as much as it is a skill

My wife is a former optician, so maybe she drank enough of the Koolaid, but she seems sold on the value of blue-light filtering. I also stick with dark mode as much as I can, and get the largest screens I possibly can (have dual 32" screens at home and at work), and so far I think I'm free of vision-related discomfort (I do have pretty terrible vision though without correction, and I am 49)

Floaters are very annoying. One solution for me has been to turn my brightness down as much as possible, but of course this might make it difficult to see what's on your monitor if there's too much ambient light around you.

I dealt with eye strain that would bother me for hours after I stopped working. Improving the lighting around my desk basically solved it for me.

Do smaller screens help? I've never really bought into the big screen craze, I've been happy using a little eeepc screen for years before, and have always preferred laptop size screens generally. I have a feeling that luminous screen filling a smaller percentage of my field of vision is probably an ergonomic win, contrary to expectations.

Laptops absolutely ruin my posture. I would take a crt over a laptop screen anyday.

A smaller screen seems like it would help so long as you centered it in your good posture position’s eyeline, and weren’t tempted to reduce text size too much.

I have no doubt this is true. That said, such sponsored research does come with a conflict of interest, since it increases the number who may need VSP plans.

Aside from it being sponsored research, I’m not surprised by the claim.

I blame the GUI. Sure, the GUI did great things for us, but I don’t think it evolved with sufficient attention paid to physical ergonomics. I get massive eye strain headaches when I use software that requires close hand-eye coordination and fine mouse work, such as CAD.

I can spot the CAD and data entry operators in a workplace because they’re wearing carpal tunnel braces.

Anything that’s purely text based, such as programming is massively more ergonomic. I can type while only minimally focusing on the screen, and can often close my eyes or look away. Between typing, and keyboard shortcuts, I can minimize mouse use.

My take is large screens, far from me, zoomed as needed. Obviously not for laptops or digital nomads...

They should switch to tmux

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